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  • Ralph Baer
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    Today is 31 July 2017. There are 61 days until RPI's next game.


    This is based upon 30 September 2017 for the start of next season.


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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by giwan View Post
    I don't see the media attacking, just asking questions which is their role.
    You and I may see it that way. An oppressive regime sees questions as attacks against their rule, hence why it is generally either dodged or met with repercussion. As a means of not seeming rude, they are likely instructed to acknowledge receipt of it at a minimum. It doesn't mean they have to answer the questions.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Today is 30 July 2017. There are 62 days (2 months) until RPI's next game.


    This is based upon 30 September 2017 for the start of next season.


    No complete roster yet.
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 07-31-2017, 01:06 AM.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season (Part II): Mr. Smith Goes to Troy

    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    Seconded. Jen and I saw this before some if not most. We remain hopeful but understand what exactly it will take for this team, this program and more importantly, this institution to recover from it all. But, on a more cheerful note, I expect many of you to be pleasantly surprised y the team performance this year. In spite of all the troubles, we have a great bunch of boys as we almost always do.
    Stick around.

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  • DrDemento
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season (Part II): Mr. Smith Goes to Troy

    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    And what's going to come out of it? SAJ is a ruthless dictator, just like her friend Hill-dawg. Until she croaks, nothing will happen. And even then, she's put such a system into place that nothing will happen after said time.
    Seconded. Jen and I saw this before some if not most. We remain hopeful but understand what exactly it will take for this team, this program and more importantly, this institution to recover from it all. But, on a more cheerful note, I expect many of you to be pleasantly surprised by the team performance this year. In spite of all the troubles, we have a great bunch of boys as we almost always do.
    Last edited by DrDemento; 07-29-2017, 06:46 PM.

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  • giwan
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    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    To be fair, if someone's attacking you and your work, what else are you going to respond with? Do you really expect him to be rebutting, especially considering we've had these beliefs about the administration for well over a decade? I'm one of the first that's going to agree that SAJ needs to go, but these people aren't stupid. If we want to speak with our wallets, that'd probably be the only way. I'm sure they'll blame the media next, but at this point, it's the only true vote we have.
    I don't see the media attacking, just asking questions which is their role.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
    The process was clearly flawed. Beginning with a search firm with zero hockey experience, maybe the outcome will work but we'll see. It sounds like a committee recommendation was made and SAJ and Lee went another way (If the Oates account is correct). The problem is that SAJ gives no mind to the program. Where's the 20 mil that SAJ promised, I propose that it will never come to fruition. That's her prerogative but the alumni and the season tix holders have a right to hold these folks to account for their decisions and promises. SAJ is taking on water with Record and Chronicle of Higher Ed stories; the only way the program gets better is with her departure. The only way the school gets out of its malaise with poor morale among employees, faculty and alumni is her departure. I get that Lee's just collecting a check but you think he would answer questions in a more artful way and just not say "thanks for the email". C'mon Lee respect the media's role and the paying fans right to have a process be transparent.
    To be fair, if someone's attacking you and your work, what else are you going to respond with? Do you really expect him to be rebutting, especially considering we've had these beliefs about the administration for well over a decade? I'm one of the first that's going to agree that SAJ needs to go, but these people aren't stupid. If we want to speak with our wallets, that'd probably be the only way. I'm sure they'll blame the media next, but at this point, it's the only true vote we have.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by giwan View Post
    I FULLY believe the issue here is the way it was handled, committee, no committee, suggestion, no suggestion. Then follow it up with the way the women's coaching situation was handled and is still being handled. It's the people in charge of the process, top down. In my experience if upper management doesn't show true interest then everything can easily falter or be more difficult. I think the Troy Record needs to dig deeper.
    And what's going to come out of it? SAJ is a ruthless dictator, just like her friend Hill-dawg. Until she croaks, nothing will happen. And even then, she's put such a system into place that nothing will happen after said time.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Today is 29 July 2017. There are 63 days (9 weeks) until RPI's next game.


    This is based upon 30 September 2017 for the start of next season.


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  • Stay@homeDad
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    Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
    The process was clearly flawed. Beginning with a search firm with zero hockey experience, maybe the outcome will work but we'll see. It sounds like a committee recommendation was made and SAJ and Lee went another way (If the Oates account is correct). The problem is that SAJ gives no mind to the program. Where's the 20 mil that SAJ promised, I propose that it will never come to fruition. That's her prerogative but the alumni and the season tix holders have a right to hold these folks to account for their decisions and promises. SAJ is taking on water with Record and Chronicle of Higher Ed stories; the only way the program gets better is with her departure. The only way the school gets out of its malaise with poor morale among employees, faculty and alumni is her departure. I get that Lee's just collecting a check but you think he would answer questions in a more artful way and just not say "thanks for the email". C'mon Lee respect the media's role and the paying fans right to have a process be transparent.
    Wow man let it go.....Your boy toy is better off now and you know it....Stop being upset he had to leave town and you need to find a new lover.....It will happen if you let it.....You got him maybe you can get Smith...

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  • AspyDad
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    Originally posted by giwan View Post
    I don't believe ANYONE is jumping on him. He was picked good or bad reasoning doesn't matter, he has plenty of time to prove himself especially if you look at the record of how long coaches can stay at RPI. One thing I find in Smith's favor is they are in a us against them mentality, and young players can really make a spot for themselves.

    I FULLY believe the issue here is the way it was handled, committee, no committee, suggestion, no suggestion. Then follow it up with the way the women's coaching situation was handled and is still being handled. It's the people in charge of the process, top down. In my experience if upper management doesn't show true interest then everything can easily falter or be more difficult. I think the Troy Record needs to dig deeper.
    The process was clearly flawed. Beginning with a search firm with zero hockey experience, maybe the outcome will work but we'll see. It sounds like a committee recommendation was made and SAJ and Lee went another way (If the Oates account is correct). The problem is that SAJ gives no mind to the program. Where's the 20 mil that SAJ promised, I propose that it will never come to fruition. That's her prerogative but the alumni and the season tix holders have a right to hold these folks to account for their decisions and promises. SAJ is taking on water with Record and Chronicle of Higher Ed stories; the only way the program gets better is with her departure. The only way the school gets out of its malaise with poor morale among employees, faculty and alumni is her departure. I get that Lee's just collecting a check but you think he would answer questions in a more artful way and just not say "thanks for the email". C'mon Lee respect the media's role and the paying fans right to have a process be transparent.

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  • giwan
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    Originally posted by 25+years View Post
    Coach Smith has an almost impossible job ahead of him. The fans, the alumni, and, to a certain degree, the players are frustrated with what has happened over the last several years, particularly the last 4 months. They haven't even skated yet. How the coaching situation was handled is totally out of his control. He has lost a several players for various reasons and is trying to create cohesion with the returning players and the newcomers. If we all jump on him if they don't win, that will make it less likely they will enjoy success. I am looking for a team where the individuals play their position well and they all play together for the team. And an opponent other teams respect and don't take for granted. If they can do that, even winning one more game than last season will demonstrate success.
    I don't believe ANYONE is jumping on him. He was picked good or bad reasoning doesn't matter, he has plenty of time to prove himself especially if you look at the record of how long coaches can stay at RPI. One thing I find in Smith's favor is they are in a us against them mentality, and young players can really make a spot for themselves.

    I FULLY believe the issue here is the way it was handled, committee, no committee, suggestion, no suggestion. Then follow it up with the way the women's coaching situation was handled and is still being handled. It's the people in charge of the process, top down. In my experience if upper management doesn't show true interest then everything can easily falter or be more difficult. I think the Troy Record needs to dig deeper.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by 25+years View Post
    Coach Smith has an almost impossible job ahead of him. The fans, the alumni, and, to a certain degree, the players are frustrated with what has happened over the last several years, particularly the last 4 months. They haven't even skated yet. How the coaching situation was handled is totally out of his control. He has lost a several players for various reasons and is trying to create cohesion with the returning players and the newcomers. If we all jump on him if they don't win, that will make it less likely they will enjoy success. I am looking for a team where the individuals play their position well and they all play together for the team. And an opponent other teams respect and don't take for granted. If they can do that, even winning one more game than last season will demonstrate success.
    Now that I look closer, the move seems justified not just for WLT, but also the amount of injuries and the lack of cohesion we've seen. Some just won't be happy unless there's a certain coach there, which I might as well mention also happened to be a previous coach at an AHC school...

    The biggest goal for Smith for this year is to be able to create a "system" that plays to the players' strength, and to keep good cohesion in the room. If the administration has belief in him to do the job, we should support that belief for the time being. It's certainly possible that the coach could eventually "lose the room" similar to the predecessor, but he still deserves an opportunity at this time. Let's see what he can do.

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  • 25+years
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    Coach Smith has an almost impossible job ahead of him. The fans, the alumni, and, to a certain degree, the players are frustrated with what has happened over the last several years, particularly the last 4 months. They haven't even skated yet. How the coaching situation was handled is totally out of his control. He has lost a several players for various reasons and is trying to create cohesion with the returning players and the newcomers. If we all jump on him if they don't win, that will make it less likely they will enjoy success. I am looking for a team where the individuals play their position well and they all play together for the team. And an opponent other teams respect and don't take for granted. If they can do that, even winning one more game than last season will demonstrate success.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season (Part II): Mr. Smith Goes to Troy

    Originally posted by engineerhockeyfan View Post
    Does anybody on this thread think we should give Smith a chance before we throw him under the bus.
    I'm shocked anyone of RPI wouldn't give him a chance... of course, the same could be said about other facets of life today...

    I look forward to what happens in 64 days.

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