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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Originally posted by techtodenver View Post
    He will not be sitting, he has interest elsewhere. It's also not a good example to set in one of your 1st acts as head coach to block a former recruit because he signed his NLI with the previous coach, junior hockey players are quite connected and that would spread.
    I agree with that. Smith could try to convince him that RPI is still the best place for him, but it would be coup for him if he could do that. He would almost be starting from scratch.

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  • techtodenver
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Greg Carvel was announced as the UMass coach on 3/29/16 and BC didn't commit to us until October. It could take just as long this time if he elects to sit our another year. I don't know why he should waste another year, but ...
    He will not be sitting, he has interest elsewhere. It's also not a good example to set in one of your 1st acts as head coach to block a former recruit because he signed his NLI with the previous coach, junior hockey players are quite connected and that would spread.

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  • ServinisScores
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    Originally posted by lugnut92 View Post
    Just popping in to give my opinion of the whole thing. Nothing particularly new, but I want to type it out.

    Just as he appears to have been for most of us, Smith was by far the least exciting of the four finalists to me. Sure he has real D-I coaching experience, but that experience is leading Canisius to a bad-to-mediocre record year after year. This past year should be considered an aberration driven by spectacular goaltending, not the norm. It's lovely that he helped turn around Canisius 11 years ago, but I don't think the problems he fixed there are the problems we face as a program now. I don't mean to really put Smith down here, and choosing him was not his own fault, but the administrations. Maybe Ben Barr didn't want to coach here, whether due to lack of funds or resources or just because he thinks he has a shot at higher-profile programs. Maybe Riga and Gosek thought they had better gigs currently. But until I'm shown otherwise, I will assume that Smith was chosen because he was the cheapest and easiest option, not because he was the best.

    I'm still going to cheer for RPI, and I hope Smith proves us all wrong, but I have a hard time imagining the program improving significantly with him at the helm, simply because the administration really just doesn't seem to give a ****.
    Have to agree, every question and answer doesn't put the program and Institute in a great light. Hope I'm wrong.

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  • son-of-alumn
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Originally posted by lugnut92 View Post
    Just popping in to give my opinion of the whole thing. Nothing particularly new, but I want to type it out.

    Just as he appears to have been for most of us, Smith was by far the least exciting of the four finalists to me. Sure he has real D-I coaching experience, but that experience is leading Canisius to a bad-to-mediocre record year after year. This past year should be considered an aberration driven by spectacular goaltending, not the norm. It's lovely that he helped turn around Canisius 11 years ago, but I don't think the problems he fixed there are the problems we face as a program now. I don't mean to really put Smith down here, and choosing him was not his own fault, but the administrations. Maybe Ben Barr didn't want to coach here, whether due to lack of funds or resources or just because he thinks he has a shot at higher-profile programs. Maybe Riga and Gosek thought they had better gigs currently. But until I'm shown otherwise, I will assume that Smith was chosen because he was the cheapest and easiest option, not because he was the best.

    I'm still going to cheer for RPI, and I hope Smith proves us all wrong, but I have a hard time imagining the program improving significantly with him at the helm, simply because the administration really just doesn't seem to give a ****.
    totally agree.

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  • Ralph Baer
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  • ServinisScores
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    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    True, but typically when these commitments are broken, they are done under the agreement of the institution with which they signed. Obviously Appert was able to get RPI to break NLI with a couple players for the purposes of deferring the player, but with a new coach coming in, what sort of clout will they have in those terms? The position of RPI, when I asked, was that they will not break NLI. Obviously this could change, but until we hear something concrete that they did, I have to say that their reporting of their position still stands.
    Who cares. We're not talking about the next Charlie McAvoy. Move along until we get real news.

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  • lugnut92
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Just popping in to give my opinion of the whole thing. Nothing particularly new, but I want to type it out.

    Just as he appears to have been for most of us, Smith was by far the least exciting of the four finalists to me. Sure he has real D-I coaching experience, but that experience is leading Canisius to a bad-to-mediocre record year after year. This past year should be considered an aberration driven by spectacular goaltending, not the norm. It's lovely that he helped turn around Canisius 11 years ago, but I don't think the problems he fixed there are the problems we face as a program now. I don't mean to really put Smith down here, and choosing him was not his own fault, but the administrations. Maybe Ben Barr didn't want to coach here, whether due to lack of funds or resources or just because he thinks he has a shot at higher-profile programs. Maybe Riga and Gosek thought they had better gigs currently. But until I'm shown otherwise, I will assume that Smith was chosen because he was the cheapest and easiest option, not because he was the best.

    I'm still going to cheer for RPI, and I hope Smith proves us all wrong, but I have a hard time imagining the program improving significantly with him at the helm, simply because the administration really just doesn't seem to give a ****.

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  • AspyDad
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Kevin Broad is going to be on 104.5 ESPN the team at 11:15am

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  • engineerhockeyfan
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Originally posted by RegalFan View Post
    I'd be happy reveal the source, let me know how to do that privately.
    Names are not necessary. A "team member" (could be either coaches or players) no one needs to know which. Alumni, Administrator.
    Just a few examples.

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  • RegalFan
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    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    And how do you know that they aren't? You've been making quite a number of accusations here on straight facts (i.e. not commentary), but not much to back it up. There are some people on this board with sources that are quite trustworthy.
    I'd be happy reveal the source, let me know how to do that privately.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by RegalFan View Post
    I'm not sure where your information is coming from but a team video session of the prior nights game is not analytics. This team did not do weekly one on one video review. With that being said Dave Smith met with his former Canisius players last night to inform them that he was leaving. No notice yet to the RPI players that he's been hired.
    And how do you know that they aren't? You've been making quite a number of accusations here on straight facts (i.e. not commentary), but not much to back it up. There are some people on this board with sources that are quite trustworthy.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Originally posted by ServinisScores View Post
    Conger isn't the first to break a commitment, nor will he be the last player to do so. His status is neither a referendum on the program, nor the coach. Recruiting solid players who play as a team and perform on the ice is the metric that needs improvement. Maybe even an appearance in Lake Placid?
    True, but typically when these commitments are broken, they are done under the agreement of the institution with which they signed. Obviously Appert was able to get RPI to break NLI with a couple players for the purposes of deferring the player, but with a new coach coming in, what sort of clout will they have in those terms? The position of RPI, when I asked, was that they will not break NLI. Obviously this could change, but until we hear something concrete that they did, I have to say that their reporting of their position still stands.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    You have said this many times but these contracts are often broken.

    Do we want a hockey player who doesn't want us?
    Unfortunately, that's not my call. And we don't know if RPI is going to strictly hold the contract (and the athletic scholarship that comes with it).

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  • RegalFan
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    Originally posted by Wicked Slappaahs View Post
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    You are correct re: strength coaching. I confirmed what I knew to be accurate with a former athlete in another sport. The hockey team has daily interaction with strength and fitness staff... the team also had an outside performance consultant that SA brought in ..whose name escapes me.

    RPI uses video analytics...not sure why folks are operating on the assumption that they don't. Even on road trips, Video review is done with each player on plays from the Friday game as well as scouting review of the Sat evening opponents.
    I'm not sure where your information is coming from but a team video session of the prior nights game is not analytics. This team did not do weekly one on one video review. With that being said Dave Smith met with his former Canisius players last night to inform them that he was leaving. No notice yet to the RPI players that he's been hired.

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  • ServinisScores
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    Re: RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

    Conger isn't the first to break a commitment, nor will he be the last player to do so. His status is neither a referendum on the program, nor the coach. Recruiting solid players who play as a team and perform on the ice is the metric that needs improvement. Maybe even an appearance in Lake Placid?

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