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  • Originally posted by Proud2baLaker View Post
    I think since LSSU already had the "old" CCHA belt have them start with it again in the 2021 season. But retire the WCHA belt. If you maintain and track it as a belt it might as well he the "West" belt since basically every western team would be eligible. It would be basically the western version of the New England Belt. But I think that one is a litle broad too, personally. I think the only belt that should have that many teams be eligible to get it is "The Belt" itself. The conference belts, the state belts, and the belt itself all make sense. I'm on the fence on the play-up belts but whatever. The New England and a potential WCHA/West belt seem a bit much.

    But if you do the old WCHA, I say make it the West Belt. NCHC, BiG, and CCHA and any independent in the west (ASU and UAH and the Alaska schools if they survive) are eligible. HE, ECAC, ATLANTIC, LIU, all eligible for the East belt (former New England). I know with Air Force that is a little wonky but that is what comes with conference affiliation)
    This makes sense. Have a "Western Belt" (for the NCHC/B1G/CCHA and any independents west of the Alleghanies (currently, ASU/UAH/UAA/UAF)) and an "Eastern Belt" (for Hockey East/ECAC/Atlantic and any independents east of the Alleghanies(currently, LIU)). Scrap the New England Belt.
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    • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

      This makes sense. Have a "Western Belt" (for the NCHC/B1G/CCHA and any independents west of the Alleghanies (currently, ASU/UAH/UAA/UAF)) and an "Eastern Belt" (for Hockey East/ECAC/Atlantic and any independents east of the Alleghanies(currently, LIU)). Scrap the New England Belt.
      I can go for that if you include the six leagues completely as you have them. That is even though AF is in the west, it is eligible for the Eastern Belt. I would start them next year with the national championship team getting the appropriate Belt and the last team standing from the other region getting the other one. There is a question if UAH is really a western team if it is an independent.
      Last edited by Ralph Baer; 03-28-2021, 01:35 PM.
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      • Sunday update
        Code:
                           Current Holder         Next Defense
        The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
        The Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota State        St. Cloud State 04/08/2021
        The Belt Alt SO    Massachusetts          Minnesota Duluth 04/08/2021
        AHC Belt           American International 2021-22
        B1G Belt           Minnesota              2021-22
        ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
        ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           2021-22
        HEA Belt           Massachusetts          2021-22
        NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       NCAA Tourney at earliest
        WCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    2021-22
        Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
        New England Belt   Massachusetts          2021-22
        Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             2021-22
        Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          2021-22
        Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
        Minnesota Belt     Minnesota State        St. Cloud State 04/08/2021
        New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
        D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    2021-22
        D II P u Alt SO    American International 2021-22
        D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
        Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
        Corrections are always appreciated.
        The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it.
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        • Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post

          I can go for that if you include the six leagues completely as you have them. That is even though AF is in the west, it is eligible for the Eastern Belt. I would start them next year with the national championship team getting the appropriate Belt and the last team standing from the other region getting the other one. There is a question if UAH is really a western team if it is an independent.
          I think UAH counts as Western. And as FS23 noted, so does ASU and any Alaskan school that might still be playing. Then BiG, NCHC, and CCHA as they are can get the Western belt. Like you said, the last team standing from any of those conferences this year gets it. I think the WCHA belt then becomes the CCHA belt with LSSU retaining to start the season. The new CCHA is everyone from the most recent iteration of the WCHA plus St. Thomas and minus UAH (and Alaska) so to me it makes sense to have them start with. The New England belt becomes Eastern Belt with UMass starting 2021 season with it. Atlantic/HE/ECAC and LIU are all eligible for it. That would include Air Force due to conference affiliation (they would NOT be eligible for the Western belt). This would give every team in a conference at least 3 possible belts to win. The Belt, The regional belt, and a conference belt.

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          • Thursday update
            Code:
                               Current Holder         Next Defense
            The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
            The Belt Alt 3x3   St. Cloud State        Massachusetts 04/10/2021
            The Belt Alt SO    Massachusetts          St. Cloud State 04/10/2021
            AHC Belt           American International 2021-22
            B1G Belt           Minnesota              2021-22
            CCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    2021-22
            ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
            ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           2021-22
            HEA Belt           Massachusetts          2021-22
            NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       NCAA Tourney at earliest
            Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
            Eastern Belt       Massachusetts          2021-22
            Western Belt       St. Cloud State        2021-22
            Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             2021-22
            Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          2021-22
            Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
            Minnesota Belt     St. Cloud State        2021-22
            New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
            D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    2021-22
            D II P u Alt SO    American International 2021-22
            D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
            Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
            Corrections are always appreciated.
            The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it.

            I have started Eastern and Western Belts as discussed. The Eastern Belt replaces the New England Belt. I have also renamed the WCHA as the CCHA Belt. It absorbs the old CCHA Belt which LSSU also had.
            Last edited by Ralph Baer; 04-09-2021, 03:59 AM.
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            • Saturday update
              Code:
                                 Current Holder         Next Defense
              The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
              The Alt Belt       Massachusetts          2021-22
              AHC Belt           American International 2021-22
              B1G Belt           Minnesota              2021-22
              CCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    2021-22
              ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
              ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           2021-22
              HEA Belt           Massachusetts          2021-22
              NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       2021-22
              Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
              Eastern Belt       Massachusetts          2021-22
              Western Belt       St. Cloud              2021-22
              Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             2021-22
              Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          2021-22
              Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
              Minnesota Belt     St. Cloud              2021-22
              New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
              D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    2021-22
              D II P u Alt SO    American International 2021-22
              D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
              Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
              Corrections are always appreciated.

              The two Alternate Belts have become one.
              I have started Eastern and Western Belts as discussed. The Eastern Belt replaces the New England Belt. I have also renamed the WCHA as the CCHA Belt. It absorbed the old CCHA Belt which LSSU also had.
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              • I have filled in the next opponent, when known, from the schedule spread sheet. Any corrections?

                Code:
                                   Current Holder         Next Defense
                The Belt           Cornell                Alaska 10/29/2021
                The Alt Belt       Massachusetts          Minnesota State 10/02/2021
                AHC Belt           American International Army 10/21/2021
                B1G Belt           Minnesota              2021-22
                CCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    St. Thomas 10/15/2021
                ECAC Belt          Cornell                Harvard 11/05/2021
                ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           2021-22
                HEA Belt           Massachusetts          Merrimack 10/29/2021
                NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       2021-22
                Ivy Belt           Cornell                Harvard 11/05/2021
                Eastern Belt       Massachusetts          American International 10/15/2021
                Western Belt       St. Cloud              St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             2021-22
                Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          Merrimack 10/29/2021
                Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
                Minnesota Belt     St. Cloud              St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                New York Belt      Cornell                Union 11/12/2021
                D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    Michigan Tech 11/05/2021
                D II P u Alt SO    American International Bentley 11/19/2021
                D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             Union 10/29/2021
                Play up Belt       Rensselaer             Union 10/29/2021
                Last edited by Ralph Baer; 07-21-2021, 11:42 AM.
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                • I am very bored. I think the earliest the belts could be consolidated is Friday, Nov. 19 when Omaha goes to Alaska.

                  UMass->Minnesota State->St. Cloud->Omaha
                  Cornell->Alaska


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                  • I think that i have everything except for Minnesota's next league game. I certainly appreciate any corrections.

                    Code:
                                       Current Holder         Next Defense
                    The Belt           Cornell                Alaska 10/29/2021
                    The Alt Belt       Massachusetts          Minnesota State 10/02/2021
                    AHC Belt           American International Army 10/21/2021
                    B1G Belt           Minnesota              2021-22
                    CCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    St. Thomas 10/15/2021
                    ECAC Belt          Cornell                Harvard 11/05/2021
                    ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           Rensselaer 11/05/2021
                    HEA Belt           Massachusetts          Merrimack 10/29/2021
                    NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       Western Michigan 11/05/2021
                    Ivy Belt           Cornell                Harvard 11/05/2021
                    Eastern Belt       Massachusetts          American International 10/15/2021
                    Western Belt       St. Cloud              St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             Yale 11/05/2021
                    Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          Merrimack 10/29/2021
                    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          Lake Superior State 11/05/2021
                    Minnesota Belt     St. Cloud              St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                    New York Belt      Cornell                Union 11/12/2021
                    D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    Michigan Tech 11/05/2021
                    D II P u Alt SO    American International Bentley 11/19/2021
                    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             Union 10/29/2021
                    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             Union 10/29/2021
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                    • Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                      I have filled in the next opponent, when known, from the schedule spread sheet. Any corrections?

                      Code:
                       Current Holder Next Defense
                      The Belt Cornell Alaska 10/29/2021
                      The Alt Belt Massachusetts Minnesota State 10/02/2021
                      AHC Belt American International Army 10/21/2021
                      B1G Belt Minnesota 2021-22
                      CCHA Belt Lake Superior State St. Thomas 10/15/2021
                      ECAC Belt Cornell Harvard 11/05/2021
                      ECAC Alt Belt St. Lawrence 2021-22
                      HEA Belt Massachusetts Merrimack 10/29/2021
                      NCHC Belt Minnesota Duluth 2021-22
                      Ivy Belt Cornell Harvard 11/05/2021
                      Eastern Belt Massachusetts American International 10/15/2021
                      Western Belt St. Cloud St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                      Connecticut Belt Quinnipiac 2021-22
                      Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts Merrimack 10/29/2021
                      Michigan Belt Michigan Tech 2021-22
                      Minnesota Belt St. Cloud St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                      New York Belt Cornell Union 11/12/2021
                      D II Play up Belt Lake Superior State Michigan Tech 11/05/2021
                      D II P u Alt SO American International Bentley 11/19/2021
                      D III Play up Belt Rensselaer Union 10/29/2021
                      Play up Belt Rensselaer Union 10/29/2021
                      I would argue that since
                      1. the CCHA is a "new" league, or
                      2. the CCHA is restarting with Mason Cup champion Notre Dame no longer in the league and therefore vacating the title,
                      the title would be vacant and the teams that play each other first would decide who starts with the belt. St. Thomas and NMU play the weekend of October 8-9, and that is the only conference matchup of the week.

                      But I concede that LSSU should keep the WCHA title in perpetuity

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                      • Originally posted by potternmu View Post

                        I would argue that since
                        1. the CCHA is a "new" league, or
                        2. the CCHA is restarting with Mason Cup champion Notre Dame no longer in the league and therefore vacating the title,
                        the title would be vacant and the teams that play each other first would decide who starts with the belt. St. Thomas and NMU play the weekend of October 8-9, and that is the only conference matchup of the week.

                        But I concede that LSSU should keep the WCHA title in perpetuity
                        This was discussed earlier in the thread. You are certainly correct that they way things have been is that if a league is new then one looks at who plays on the first day, and if there is more than one game on that day than all victors get Belts which are eventually unified.

                        The fact that LSSU had both the WCHA Belt and the continuation of the old CCHA Belt which was contested by the teams who were in the CCHA when it folded resulted in the suggestion to give them the new CCHA Belt. You are correct that Notre Dame held the old CCHA Belt when the league folded.

                        What I didn't want to do is have a new CCHA Belt and also a WCHA Belt contested by the still-existing teams that were in that league last season. What I did removed that.

                        If others want to chime in on this some more, we can change things until the new season starts.
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                        • I say leave it how it is. The explanation you posted of LSSU having the WCHA and the old CCHA belt is sufficient to justify it.

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                          • With the B1G conference schedule released, all the next games are known. Any corrections?
                            Code:
                                               Current Holder         Next Defense
                            The Belt           Cornell                Alaska 10/29/2021
                            The Alt Belt       Massachusetts          Minnesota State 10/02/2021
                            AHC Belt           American International Army 10/21/2021
                            B1G Belt           Minnesota              Notre Dame 10/29/2021
                            CCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    St. Thomas 10/15/2021
                            ECAC Belt          Cornell                Harvard 11/05/2021
                            ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           Rensselaer 11/05/2021
                            HEA Belt           Massachusetts          Merrimack 10/29/2021
                            NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       Western Michigan 11/05/2021
                            Ivy Belt           Cornell                Harvard 11/05/2021
                            Eastern Belt       Massachusetts          American International 10/15/2021
                            Western Belt       St. Cloud              St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                            Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             Yale 11/05/2021
                            Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          Merrimack 10/29/2021
                            Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          Lake Superior State 11/05/2021
                            Minnesota Belt     St. Cloud              St. Thomas 10/02/2021
                            New York Belt      Cornell                Union 11/12/2021
                            D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    Michigan Tech 11/05/2021
                            D II P u Alt SO    American International Bentley 11/19/2021
                            D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             Union 10/29/2021
                            Play up Belt       Rensselaer             Union 10/29/2021
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                            • This may require some research, but do you know offhand what school has the record of holding the most belts at one time and how many they held? Cornell and UMass with four right now is pretty impressive, especially at the same time as the other.

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                              • Originally posted by John J. MacInnes View Post
                                This may require some research, but do you know offhand what school has the record of holding the most belts at one time and how many they held? Cornell and UMass with four right now is pretty impressive, especially at the same time as the other.
                                4 is impressive. 7 would be the max one would could get I think. The Belt, Conference Belt, East/West Belt, State Belt, DII or DIII play up, Play Up, and the 7th would be the Ivy belt. That Ivy Belt would limit that max of 7 only to teams in the Ivy of course so the max is 6 for other DII and DIII teams and 4 for teams that are truly D-I across the board. Ralph would have to confirm but I would be the 4 is the max number any one team has held at least for a while. So if I am not mistaken UMass currently having their 4 maxes them out which is also impressive.

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