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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by AMC View Post
    Behold, the Connecticut belt. This is actually Sacred Heart's second time holding the belt (11/22/01, SHU 7-Yale 6). If they defend it once, it will be the first time they have defended the CT Belt. UConn has also held the CT Belt for exactly one game: UConn 4-Quinnipiac 1 10/21/14. The first defense was a loss to Yale.

    I didn't do math on number of days/times held for Yale or Quinnipiac. Regardless of whether we count the 1971 game, Yale certainly holds the days with belt record due to playing in-state schools VERY sporadically until Quinnipiac joined the ECAC.

    Code:
    12/1/1971:		Yale 16			Connecticut 2
    11/27/1999:		Yale 3			Connecticut 2
    1/25/2003:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
    1/17/2004:		Yale 6			Connecticut 4
    1/22/2005:		Yale 6			Connecticut 2
    1/8/2006:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 3
    2/5/2006:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
    2/24/2006:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
    1/13/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
    2/2/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 4
    1/12/2008:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
    2/8/2008:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1
    11/1/2008:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 1
    1/31/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 0
    2/20/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
    11/24/2009:		Yale 8			Sacred Heart 2
    12/4/2009:		Yale 7			Quinnipiac 4
    2/27/2010:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 3
    11/6/2010:		Yale 5			Quinnipiac 1
    11/23/2010:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
    2/18/2011:		Yale 6			Quinnipiac 1
    11/19/2011:		Yale 5			Connecticut 3
    11/22/2011:		Sacred Heart 7		Yale 6
    12/9/2011:		Quinnipiac 6		Sacred Heart 1
    1/6/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 1
    2/25/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 2			tie-Quinnipiac retains
    1/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 2		Connecticut 1
    2/2/2013:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
    2/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
    3/23/2013:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0			ECAC 3rd place game
    4/13/2013:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 0		National Championship
    11/9/2013:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
    11/16/2013:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
    2/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
    3/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2			ECAC QF
    3/15/2014:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 3			ECAC QF
    10/21/2014:		Connecticut 4		Quinnipiac 1
    11/2/2014:		Yale 2			Connecticut 1
    1/31/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
    2/20/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
    12/4/2015:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
    2/27/2016:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
    10/19/2016:		Quinnipiac 5		Connecticut 2
    2/4/2017:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 2
    2/24/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 2
    11/18/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
    1/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 0
    2/9/2018:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 2
    3/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
    3/3/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
    10/16/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 2
    2/8/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
    3/2/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
    1/25/2020:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 2
    1/26/2020:		Sacred Heart 4		Quinnipiac 1
    Defense TBA
    Thanks. That is more information than I actually need, but I can easily extract it.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Tuesday update
    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Quinnipiac             Clarkson 02/14/2020
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Michigan State         Michigan 02/14/2020
    The Belt Alt SO    Maine                  Connecticut 02/14/2020
    AHC Belt           American International Canisius 02/14/2020
    B1G Belt           Notre Dame             Minnesota 02/14/2020
    B1G Belt Alt 3x3   Michigan State         Michigan 02/14/2020
    ECAC Belt          Quinnipiac             Clarkson 02/14/2020
    HEA Belt           Maine                  Connecticut 02/14/2020
    NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       Western Michigan 02/21/2020
    WCHA Belt          Minnesota State        Alabama Huntville 02/21/2020
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                Yale 02/21/2020
    New England Belt   Boston College         Merrimack 02/14/2020
    Connecticut Belt   Sacred Heart           NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts Lowell   Northeastern 02/14/2020
    Michigan Belt      Northern Michigan      Lake Superior State 02/21/2020
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                Union 02/14/2020
    D II Play up Belt  Minnesota State        Alabama Huntville 02/21/2020
    D II P u Alt SO    American International AHA playoffs at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             ECAC playoffs at earliest
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             ECAC playoffs at earliest
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 02-15-2020, 02:20 AM.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by COSkier View Post
    Ralph, what are the Div II and Div III play up belts. Thanks
    They are Belts only contested by schools which are not D-I in all sports. I must admit that I was testing if all errors which I make are caught. Sacred Heart is not a D-II play-up school.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by sameoldfury View Post
    If four is the magic number, where's the Boston belt, AKA St. Boltoph's belt, the Beanbelt, the Boston Gut Strangler, the Dirty Water Waistband?
    Actually there is one. It just do not post it. See post #31.

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  • sameoldfury
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    And before someone says it again, there are only three teams in Colorado and in Ohio.
    If four is the magic number, where's the Boston belt, AKA St. Boltoph's belt, the Beanbelt, the Boston Gut Strangler, the Dirty Water Waistband?

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  • COSkier
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Ralph, what are the Div II and Div III play up belts. Thanks

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  • AMC
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Behold, the Connecticut belt. This is actually Sacred Heart's second time holding the belt (11/22/01, SHU 7-Yale 6). If they defend it once, it will be the first time they have defended the CT Belt. UConn has also held the CT Belt for exactly one game: UConn 4-Quinnipiac 1 10/21/14. The first defense was a loss to Yale.

    I didn't do math on number of days/times held for Yale or Quinnipiac. Regardless of whether we count the 1971 game, Yale certainly holds the days with belt record due to playing in-state schools VERY sporadically until Quinnipiac joined the ECAC.

    Code:
    12/1/1971:		Yale 16			Connecticut 2
    11/27/1999:		Yale 3			Connecticut 2
    1/25/2003:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
    1/17/2004:		Yale 6			Connecticut 4
    1/22/2005:		Yale 6			Connecticut 2
    1/8/2006:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 3
    2/5/2006:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
    2/24/2006:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
    1/13/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
    2/2/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 4
    1/12/2008:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
    2/8/2008:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1
    11/1/2008:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 1
    1/31/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 0
    2/20/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
    11/24/2009:		Yale 8			Sacred Heart 2
    12/4/2009:		Yale 7			Quinnipiac 4
    2/27/2010:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 3
    11/6/2010:		Yale 5			Quinnipiac 1
    11/23/2010:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
    2/18/2011:		Yale 6			Quinnipiac 1
    11/19/2011:		Yale 5			Connecticut 3
    11/22/2011:		Sacred Heart 7		Yale 6
    12/9/2011:		Quinnipiac 6		Sacred Heart 1
    1/6/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 1
    2/25/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 2			tie-Quinnipiac retains
    1/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 2		Connecticut 1
    2/2/2013:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
    2/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
    3/23/2013:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0			ECAC 3rd place game
    4/13/2013:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 0		National Championship
    11/9/2013:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
    11/16/2013:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
    2/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
    3/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2			ECAC QF
    3/15/2014:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 3			ECAC QF
    10/21/2014:		Connecticut 4		Quinnipiac 1
    11/2/2014:		Yale 2			Connecticut 1
    1/31/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
    2/20/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
    12/4/2015:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
    2/27/2016:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
    10/19/2016:		Quinnipiac 5		Connecticut 2
    2/4/2017:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 2
    2/24/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 2
    11/18/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
    1/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 0
    2/9/2018:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 2
    3/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
    3/3/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
    10/16/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 2
    2/8/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
    3/2/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
    1/25/2020:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 2
    1/26/2020:		Sacred Heart 4		Quinnipiac 1
    Defense TBA

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  • AMC
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Well, the 1971 game's includability is immaterial. Yale won and moved on until 1999. I'll toss it on there as a fun "look how much Yale HATED playing in state schools" note and you can remove it if you want. I'm through 2012, have this done soon (this conference I am at is REALLY boring).

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by AMC View Post
    You are the czar of the belt, so I'll defer to your judgment. My vote would be to start the belt in Yale's possession, which would bring in the 1971 game against UConn, and then sit dormant until 1999.
    I wouldn't count a 1971 game against UConn. They were not D-I then. 1989-99 was when the MAAC formed. That was probably Yale's next game if they played any of the MAAC CT schools.

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  • AMC
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Did Yale not play any of the other CT schools? I would start with them, as you said "in antiquity".

    Starting with the 61-62 season the ECAC formed. Wesleyan and UConn were not members, so I would not consider them eligible at the point. Starting with 64-65, ECAC broke off into ECAC-I and ECAC-II (see https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html), I would only consider those listed here as eligible which would mean that until the other three schools become eligible, Yale would keep the Belt. Sean Pickett should know exactly when.

    Fairfield was indeed eligible for a while when they were in the MAAC. I forgot them.
    I typed slow. Okay. I agree with your judgment. Apologies to Trinity, Wesleyan, Conn College, and New Haven.

    Yale didn't play any in state games until that one-off with UConn in the early 1970's. From there, it was after they all joined (re-joined?) D-I in 1999.

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  • AMC
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    Also, I apologize for the third straight post, but we need a ruling on D1 vs. D3. At some point UConn's schedule took a turn for the sub Division 1. After 1971 Yale didn't play UConn again until 1999. The 1960's Huskies were playing a reasonable schedule (UNH, Vermont, lesser Ivies, a drubbing or two against Wisconsin...), eventually by the early 1970s it was more small college.

    Making some reasonable guesses, I got it to a Fairfield win over Wesleyan on January 10, 1974. Neither Trinity nor UConn provide dates on their schedules from antiquity, and Fairfield and New Haven have no records whatsoever.

    As for where this belt is now, my best guess is that this belt either died with New Haven in the early 1980's or is still rattling around the NESCAC. UConn's last D-3 game was a loss to Conn College in the ECAC playoffs. That would have been a belt game if UConn held it at that point. The last games New Haven played against UConn, Trinity, and Wesleyan all appear to be wins. No idea on Fairfield. Conn College and Sacred Heart didn't appear until after New Haven's demise.

    You are the czar of the belt, so I'll defer to your judgment. My vote would be to start the belt in Yale's possession, which would bring in the 1971 game against UConn, and then sit dormant until 1999.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by AMC View Post
    Well, here's what I've got. We need to track down 1960's Wesleyan and Trinity results.

    Code:
    1960-61: 	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 5
    1961-62:	Connecticut 6		Wesleyan 2
    1962-63:	Connecticut 4		Wesleyan 3
    1963-64:	Wesleyan 4		Connecticut 3
    ***Wesleyan records only date to 1971-72, possible loss to Trinity, Fairfield, or New Haven***
    1964-65:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 4
    1965-66:	Connecticut 10	        Wesleyan 4
    1965-66:	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 3
    1966-67:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 1
    1968-69:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
    1969-70:	Connecticut 9		Trinity 1
    1969-70:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
    1970-71:	Connecticut 8		Trinity 2
    1970-71:	Connecticut 7		New Haven 4
    1971-72:	Trinity 5		        Connecticut 3 (hilariously, UConn lost their next game to Yale)
    ****Trinity may have played New Haven or Fairfield before this game****
    2/6/1972:	Wesleyan 4		Trinity 3
    2/23/1972: Connecticut 3		Wesleyan 2
    3/1/1972:	 Wesleyan 7		Connecticut 4
    12/12/1973: Wesleyan 5		New Haven 3
    1/13/1973:  New Haven 9		Wesleyan 4
    **uh-oh**
    Did Yale not play any of the other CT schools? I would start with them, as you said "in antiquity".

    Starting with the 61-62 season the ECAC formed. Wesleyan and UConn were not members, so I would not consider them eligible at the point. Starting with 64-65, ECAC broke off into ECAC-I and ECAC-II (see https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html), I would only consider those listed here as eligible which would mean that until the other three schools become eligible, Yale would keep the Belt. Sean Pickett should know exactly when.

    Fairfield was indeed eligible for a while when they were in the MAAC. I forgot them.
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 02-11-2020, 02:38 PM.

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  • AMC
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Well, here's what I've got. We need to track down 1960's Wesleyan and Trinity results.

    Code:
    1960-61: 	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 5
    1961-62:	Connecticut 6		Wesleyan 2
    1962-63:	Connecticut 4		Wesleyan 3
    1963-64:	Wesleyan 4		Connecticut 3
    ***Wesleyan records only date to 1971-72, possible loss to Trinity, Fairfield, or New Haven***
    1964-65:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 4
    1965-66:	Connecticut 10	        Wesleyan 4
    1965-66:	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 3
    1966-67:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 1
    1968-69:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
    1969-70:	Connecticut 9		Trinity 1
    1969-70:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
    1970-71:	Connecticut 8		Trinity 2
    1970-71:	Connecticut 7		New Haven 4
    1971-72:	Trinity 5		        Connecticut 3 (hilariously, UConn lost their next game to Yale)
    ****Trinity may have played New Haven or Fairfield before this game****
    2/6/1972:	Wesleyan 4		Trinity 3
    2/23/1972: Connecticut 3		Wesleyan 2
    3/1/1972:	 Wesleyan 7		Connecticut 4
    12/12/1973: Wesleyan 5		New Haven 3
    1/13/1973:  New Haven 9		Wesleyan 4
    **uh-oh**

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  • AMC
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Yes, don't count them. Before the NCAA was formed, it's any legitimate college in CT.
    Okay. Is Yale born with the belt, or does it spring into being in the first game between Connecticut teams? Yale first played in antiquity. UConn has their first season in 1960. They played Wesleyan in that first year, but Wesleyan's records online only go back to 1971-72. Connecticut beat Wesleyan in '60-'61, '61-'62, and '62-'63 (no individual dates listed), but then lost to the Cardinals in 1963-64. Wesleyan has no record of this game. UConn then beat Wesleyan every year until Wesleyan's record book picks up. So we COULD be fairly certain that UConn held the belt into the early 1970's, except....

    Trinity existed. And Trinity's records pick up AFTER Wesleyan's, but we can be fairly certain they played (probably twice!) each year in the 1960's. Trinity first appears on UConn's schedule in 1968-69. There is also a "New Haven" that appears on Wesleyan's early 1970's schedules, and based upon the fact that every single other listing is a school I feel confident that is the University of New Haven and not the old New Haven Bears of antiquity. Fairfield also starts making some appearances on schedules in the early 1970's.

    My instinct is to asterisk the 1963-64 game and say that Wesleyan may have played Trinity, New Haven, or Fairfield before they lost to UConn the next year.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

    Originally posted by AMC View Post
    Digging around at this- I presume you only count games against legit NCAA opposition? So Yale losing to their own Alumni in 1905 or to the "New Haven Bears" is irrelevant?
    Yes, don't count them. Before the NCAA was formed, it's any legitimate college in CT.
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 02-11-2020, 01:36 PM.

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