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  • Ralph Baer
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    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota              Nebraska Omaha 03/27/2021
    The Belt Alt SO    Massachusetts          Lake Superior 03/26/2021
    AHC Belt           American International 2021-22
    B1G Belt           Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
    ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           2021-22
    HEA Belt           Massachusetts          NCAA Tourney at earliest
    NCHC Belt          North Dakota           NCAA Tourney at earliest
    WCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    New England Belt   Massachusetts          NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             2021-22
    Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
    D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    NCAA Tourney at earliest
    D II P u Alt SO    American International NCAA Tourney at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Saturday update
    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota              NCAA Tourney
    The Belt Alt SO    Massachusetts          NCAA Tourney
    AHC Belt           American International 2021-22
    B1G Belt           Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
    ECAC Alt Belt      St. Lawrence           NCAA Tourney at earliest
    HEA Belt           Massachusetts          NCAA Tourney at earliest
    NCHC Belt          North Dakota           NCAA Tourney at earliest
    WCHA Belt          Lake Superior State    NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    New England Belt   Massachusetts          NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts          NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
    D II Play up Belt  Lake Superior State    NCAA Tourney at earliest
    D II P u Alt SO    American International NCAA Tourney at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Friday update
    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota              NCAA Tourney
    The Belt Alt SO    Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    AHC Belt           Canisius               American International 03/20/2021
    B1G Belt           Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
    HEA Belt           Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    NCHC Belt          North Dakota           NCAA Tourney at earliest
    WCHA Belt          Northern Michigan      Lake Superior State 03/20/2021
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    New England Belt   Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Massachusetts Belt Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
    D II Play up Belt  Northern Michigan      Lake Superior State 03/20/2021
    D II P u Alt SO    American International NCAA Tourney at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it. Also the winner of the ECAC tourney will get an alternate ECAC Belt.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Wednesday update
    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota              NCAA Tourney
    The Belt Alt SO    Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    AHC Belt           Army                   Canisius 03/19/2021
    B1G Belt           Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
    HEA Belt           Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    NCHC Belt          North Dakota           NCAA Tourney at earliest
    WCHA Belt          Northern Michigan      Minnesota State 03/19/2021
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    New England Belt   Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Massachusetts Belt Mass Lowell            Massachusetts 03/20/2021
    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
    D II Play up Belt  Minnesota State        Northern Michigan 03/19/2021
    D II P u Alt SO    American International AHA Tourney at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it. Also the winner of the ECAC tourney will get an alternate ECAC Belt.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Tuesday update
    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota              NCAA Tourney
    The Belt Alt SO    Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    AHC Belt           Army                   Canisius 03/19/2021
    B1G Belt           Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
    HEA Belt           Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    NCHC Belt          North Dakota           NCAA Tourney at earliest
    WCHA Belt          Northern Michigan      Minnesota State 03/19/2021
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    New England Belt   Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Massachusetts Belt Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
    D II Play up Belt  Minnesota State        Northern Michigan 03/19/2021
    D II P u Alt SO    American International AHA Tourney at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it. Also the winner of the ECAC tourney will get an alternate ECAC Belt.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Monday update
    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Wisconsin              Minnesota 03/16/2021
    The Belt Alt SO    Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    AHC Belt           Army                   Canisius 03/19/2021
    B1G Belt           Wisconsin              Minnesota 03/16/2021
    B1G Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota              Wisconsin 03/16/2021
    ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
    HEA Belt           Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    NCHC Belt          St. Cloud              North Dakota 03/16/2021
    WCHA Belt          Northern Michigan      Minnesota State 03/19/2021
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    New England Belt   Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Massachusetts Belt Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          2021-22
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
    D II Play up Belt  Minnesota State        Northern Michigan 03/19/2021
    D II P u Alt SO    American International AHA Tourney at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The existing alternates will be absorbed into it. Also the winner of the ECAC tourney will get an alternate ECAC Belt.
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 03-16-2021, 05:01 AM.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Sunday update
    Code:
                       Current Holder         Next Defense
    The Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    The Belt Alt 3x3   Wisconsin              Penn State 03/15/2021
    The Belt Alt SO    Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    AHC Belt           Army                   Canisius 03/19/2021
    B1G Belt           Wisconsin              Penn State 03/15/2021
    B1G Belt Alt 3x3   Minnesota              Michigan 03/15/2021
    BIG Belt SO        Penn State             Wisconsin 03/15/2021
    ECAC Belt          Cornell                2021-22
    HEA Belt           Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       St. Cloud 03/15/2021
    WCHA Belt          Northern Michigan      Minnesota State 03/19/2021
    Ivy Belt           Cornell                2021-22
    New England Belt   Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    Connecticut Belt   Quinnipiac             NCAA Tourney at earliest
    Massachusetts Belt Mass Lowell            Boston College 03/17/2021
    Michigan Belt      Michigan Tech          WCHA Tourney at earliest
    Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
    New York Belt      Cornell                2021-22
    D II Play up Belt  Minnesota State        WCHA Tourney at earliest
    D II P u Alt SO    American International AHA Tourney at earliest
    D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             2021-22
    Play up Belt       Rensselaer             2021-22
    Corrections are always appreciated.
    The winner of the NCAA tourney will get an alternate Belt because Cornell won't be defending. The two existing alternates, held by UW and UML, should be absorbed into it. Also the winner of the ECAC tourney will get an alternate ECAC Belt.
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 03-14-2021, 09:52 PM.

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post

    Several times the Belt holder did not make the NCAA tourney, and and an alternate was created: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1959, 1975, 1980, 1982, and 1986. I note that three of those are North Dakota which explains why you are finding fault. :-D See the early posts on this thread. I personally regard those alternate belts as more significant than those awarded for shootouts. Also the lack of interleague play this year makes most everything suspect.

    Lastly, I have no real love for Cornell. I entered RPI in the fall of 1964. So the Juniors and Seniors remembered Harkness and regarded him as a traitor and this was passed on to the entering classes. Things have mellowed over the years, and after Harkness retired from hockey he was honored by RPI on a couple of occasions. One of my fondest memories was in the fall of 1968-69 when RPI upset a Harkness-coached Cornell in overtime. RPI duplicated the feat two years later, but Harkness was no longer coach.
    Well, I guess if North Dakota can continue its tradition of winning alternate belts/national titles, I'll let the Cornell Belt fiasco slide. : - p

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

    Yeah, it presents difficulties no matter what route is selected. In other belt-contested sports, in the event the titleholder is stripped of the title, there is a title match shortly thereafter. We don't really have that in college hockey, unless we were to strip Cornell at the start of the NCAA Tournament, hold it vacant, and then award it to whoever wins the NCAA Tournament.

    I guess I just struggle with the idea that whoever wins the NCAA Tournament doesn't get the Belt (just an alternate). But, of course, I suppose the same could happen any season if the beltholder fails to qualify for its conference tournament.
    Several times the Belt holder did not make the NCAA tourney, and and an alternate was created: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1959, 1975, 1980, 1982, and 1986. I note that three of those are North Dakota which explains why you are finding fault. :-D See the early posts on this thread. I personally regard those alternate belts as more significant than those awarded for shootouts. Also the lack of interleague play this year makes most everything suspect.

    Lastly, I have no real love for Cornell. I entered RPI in the fall of 1964. So the Juniors and Seniors remembered Harkness and regarded him as a traitor and this was passed on to the entering classes. Things have mellowed over the years, and after Harkness retired from hockey he was honored by RPI on a couple of occasions. One of my fondest memories was in the fall of 1968-69 when RPI upset a Harkness-coached Cornell in overtime. RPI duplicated the feat two years later, but Harkness was no longer coach.

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post

    In either situation we would have to start a new belt. The question is when.

    We have had several cases of teams having belts and then not being eligible. E.g. Notre Dame had the HEA belt when they left. Also MSU had the WCHA Belt when they went to the CCHA. In both cases a new belt was started but the team that left eventually lost the original. I don't recall a team having a belt and then dropping hockey.
    Yeah, it presents difficulties no matter what route is selected. In other belt-contested sports, in the event the titleholder is stripped of the title, there is a title match shortly thereafter. We don't really have that in college hockey, unless we were to strip Cornell at the start of the NCAA Tournament, hold it vacant, and then award it to whoever wins the NCAA Tournament.

    I guess I just struggle with the idea that whoever wins the NCAA Tournament doesn't get the Belt (just an alternate). But, of course, I suppose the same could happen any season if the beltholder fails to qualify for its conference tournament.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

    I certainly hope not...for any of the above-referenced hypothetical future events.

    That being said, if we're not stripping the Belt from teams that are not playing, then we could run into such a scenario down the road where a team holds the Belt (or any of the belts), drops hockey, and then would hold onto such belt in perpetuity.
    In either situation we would have to start a new belt. The question is when.

    We have had several cases of teams having belts and then not being eligible. E.g. Notre Dame had the HEA belt when they left. Also MSU had the WCHA Belt when they went to the CCHA. In both cases a new belt was started but the team that left eventually lost the original. I don't recall a team having a belt and then dropping hockey.

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post

    Do you think that Cornell will drop hockey? RPI certainly could which would affect two of the Play-up belts, however then I would leave here.
    I certainly hope not...for any of the above-referenced hypothetical future events.

    That being said, if we're not stripping the Belt from teams that are not playing, then we could run into such a scenario down the road where a team holds the Belt (or any of the belts), drops hockey, and then would hold onto such belt in perpetuity.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

    Interesting. Of course, I highly doubt it was WMU's choice that they did not play any other Michigan teams (and of course, could have played Michigan teams in tournament play).

    Hopefully the Belt doesn't end up in the hands of a team that drops hockey. They'll have it forever. ; )
    Do you think that Cornell will drop hockey? RPI certainly could which would affect two of the Play-up belts, however then I would leave here.

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post

    I thought about doing that, but we didn't strip WMU of the Michigan belt when they did not play any other Michigan teams when the NCHC was founded.
    Interesting. Of course, I highly doubt it was WMU's choice that they did not play any other Michigan teams (and of course, could have played Michigan teams in tournament play).

    Hopefully the Belt doesn't end up in the hands of a team that drops hockey. They'll have it forever. ; )

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

    Why hasn't Cornell been stripped of the Belt? Generally, champions that are either injured/refuse to defend, are stripped of their belts. Or am I missing something?
    I thought about doing that, but we didn't strip WMU of the Michigan belt when they did not play any other Michigan teams when the NCHC was founded.

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