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  • #46
    Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

    Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Whatever

    Can't take the "nu" outta AWFUL NU
    Isn't it a little early for that?!

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    • #47
      Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

      Originally posted by TheRevengeance View Post
      BC returns 79 goals, 45 in Hockey East. NU returns 106 and 62. BC doesn't have much returning scoring after the big three. Gaudreau and C. Fitzgerald had 4 goals, Calnan 3, Brown 2. Obviously White, Cango, and Fitzgerald are a ton of returning goals. but they alone aren't more than every other team.
      BC returns 81. The count I had must have been before the last early departure (Sanford?). And I only looked the top 5 teams in the standings so thanks for the correction. So maybe BC is a bit worse off than I thought. I don't understand the relevance of separating out the Hockey East goals from total goals though.

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      • #48
        Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

        Originally posted by Tater View Post
        . I don't understand the relevance of separating out the Hockey East goals from total goals though.
        Perhaps it can be considered a measure of relevance (goals in games that matter more) and goals scored against (generally) stronger competition.

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        • #49
          Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

          Originally posted by HHound View Post
          Perhaps it can be considered a measure of relevance (goals in games that matter more) and goals scored against (generally) stronger competition.
          Or it is cherry picking because Northeastern made their run in the second half where the bulk of conference games reside?

          But to answer your point. 1) Most OOC games have high relevance to the PWR which is more important than if a team finishes second or third in the conference. BU rode that PWR road bonus by beating Quinnipiac to a higher seed last season. 2) If you were comparing goals scored to teams like UMass or Merrimack with poor OOC schedules you would have a point. However, the top programs, especially BU and BC, have generally strong OOC schedules (which benefitted BU also in the PWR last season).

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          • #50
            Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

            Also NU returns forwards who played in a combined 214 HE games last year, BC returns just 137 (did a quick count, I may be slightly off on these). With 77 extra returning games from forwards I'd expect NU to be returning more than just 17 extra HE goals than BC.

            Edit: Put another way, NU returns roughly 10 of their 12 forwards a night, BC returns about 6. Can the 4 additional forwards a night BC adds to their roster than NU adds to theirs account for 17 goals over the course of the HE season? Probably, IMO.

            If not NU also returns 10 extra HE games from D, so BC could make up an additional couple goals there.
            Last edited by Agganis; 09-02-2016, 10:18 AM.

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            • #51
              Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

              NU also returns Jim Madigan. Let's see if he was a one hit wonder.

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              • #52
                Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

                Originally posted by HHound View Post
                Perhaps it can be considered a measure of relevance (goals in games that matter more) and goals scored against (generally) stronger competition.
                And, avoids counting the two games in which the Huskies got swept my Bentley. Watch out again on 14-15 October this season.

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                • #53
                  Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

                  Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
                  And, avoids counting the two games in which the Huskies got swept my Bentley. Watch out again on 14-15 October this season.
                  The very thought of Bentley makes me break out in hives. Thanks for ruining my holiday weekend.
                  "Through the years, we ever will acclaim........"

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                  • #54
                    Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

                    Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
                    Contrast with UNH OOC schedule, some real iron there:
                    1x Bentley
                    1x @Clarkson
                    1x @St Lawrence
                    1x CC
                    1x Sacred Heart
                    1x Mercyhurst
                    1x AZ
                    1x RPI
                    1x Cornell @ MSG
                    1x Maine @ Verizon
                    1x @ Dartmouth
                    1x @ Brown



                    Maine's isn't as rough as last year's:

                    2x vs RPI
                    2x vs Quinnipiac (homecoming weekend)
                    2x at Miami
                    2x at Colgate
                    2x vs. AIC
                    1x vs. Brown (in Portland)
                    1x at UNH (in Manchester)

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                    • #55
                      Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

                      Originally posted by Tater View Post
                      Or it is cherry picking because Northeastern made their run in the second half where the bulk of conference games reside? .
                      The point of providing both sets of numbers was just to say that the stat was true both in and out of conference, not picked in favor of one vs. the other. NU actually had a better winning percentage OOC than in-conference thanks to the HEA tourney.

                      Also, I think your tally of 81 goals is counting Couturier's 2.

                      Originally posted by Agganis View Post
                      Also NU returns forwards who played in a combined 214 HE games last year, BC returns just 137 (did a quick count, I may be slightly off on these). With 77 extra returning games from forwards I'd expect NU to be returning more than just 17 extra HE goals than BC.

                      Edit: Put another way, NU returns roughly 10 of their 12 forwards a night, BC returns about 6. Can the 4 additional forwards a night BC adds to their roster than NU adds to theirs account for 17 goals over the course of the HE season? Probably, IMO.

                      If not NU also returns 10 extra HE games from D, so BC could make up an additional couple goals there.
                      Yes, NU returns more points from significantly more players, but NU also returns some players like Schechter, Pond, Jamieson, and maybe Schule who aren't expected to factor into the "best 18" this year barring significant injuries. By my count NU will have 4 new everyday F (Filipe, Jozefek, Pecararo, Lerario) and 3 new D (Some combo of Cecere, Shea, Davies, and Barry). I don't knew BC's roster nearly as well as our own, but from looking at their list of returning players, I'm seeing that there are 5 open slots at F and 3 at D, 3.5 if you only count Kim as 0.5. So the teams are dressing a roughly equal number of newcomers (BC +1 or 1.5) and NU still holds a large returning scoring edge even if you remove Schechter, Pond, Jamieson, Schule from their scoring numbers.
                      Last edited by TheRevengeance; 09-02-2016, 04:06 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by TheRevengeance View Post
                        Yes, NU returns more points from significantly more players, but NU also returns some players like Schechter, Pond, Jamieson, and maybe Schule who aren't expected to factor into the "best 18" this year barring significant injuries. By my count NU will have 4 new everyday F (Filipe, Jozefek, Pecararo, Lerario) and 3 new D (Some combo of Cecere, Shea, Davies, and Barry). I don't knew BC's roster nearly as well as our own, but from looking at their list of returning players, I'm seeing that there are 5 open slots at F and 3 at D, 3.5 if you only count Kim as 0.5. So the teams are dressing a roughly equal number of newcomers (BC +1 or 1.5) and NU still holds a large returning scoring edge even if you remove Schechter, Pond, Jamieson, Schule from their scoring numbers.
                        With those adjustments I count NU as returning 50 more HE games played (roughly 2.5 skaters per game) and 13 more HE goals scored (a reasonable amount for 2.5 skaters to score).

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                        • #57
                          Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

                          POY: Clayton Keller (BU)
                          COY: Dave Quinn (BU) - unless he messes up reaaaaal bad
                          ROY: Clayton Keller (BU)
                          Best Goalie: Cal Petersen (ND)

                          Standings
                          1. BU (by a country mile)


                          2. ND
                          3. Lowell
                          4. PC

                          5. BC
                          6. NU

                          7. MC
                          8. UConn
                          9. UVM

                          10. UNH
                          11. Maine
                          12. Amherst

                          Conference Tourni Championship: BU

                          NCAA: BU, ND, Lowell, PC

                          Coach Firing/retiring: York and Umile hang it up. Carvel finally realizes the hopelessness of what he signed up for and sets himself on fire like an Amherst futon. Leaman makes the jump to pro hockey.
                          Lowell Forever
                          Forever Lowell

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                            NU also returns Jim Madigan. Let's see if he was a one hit wonder.
                            At least spell it right - Mad-again.
                            Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories. - Stephen Wright

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                            • #59
                              Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

                              If York never wins coach of the year because of all the talent he gets, hard to imagine quinn winning

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                              • #60
                                Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread. Predict and Win Eternal Glory

                                A few comments about predictions posted here:

                                FiveHole12 usually highly undervalues BC in his predictions. If so they will win the NC this year. At the same time he usually gives a pass to the NC game for BU. They will probably go winless now.
                                Cannot understand why PC is being rated so highly. They lost even more firepower than BC and they were mostly a defensive team.
                                While Northeastern returns a lot of scoring keep in mind they need it to win those 6-5 games.
                                The supposed bottom of the league will surprise many this year. It will be much tighter than usual from top to bottom. It is imperative that the league makes a good OOC record as this may be the year where 3 or 4 Hockey East teams due to less than stellar league records from the closeness of the standings vie for the last NCAA tourney spots and OOC will determine that.

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