Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Split-N
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by Bonin21 View Post
    I'm not sure what you disagree with. You must support a conference that doesn't have shootouts...
    I disagree with any and all things that compromise the legitimacy of the game. Hockey games are meant to be decided by competition between two teams consisting of five skaters and a goaltender, notwithstanding penalties. Anything else is a gimmick. And the shootout IMO is the hockey equivalent of a crime against humanity. If the NHL wants to prostitute itself to gimmickry in the name of entertainment, that doesn't mean the NCAA should do the same.

    Why is it so hard to accept the premise that on a given day, one team might not be better than the other and that a tie is the only fair and proper final result?

    Leave a comment:


  • UML Puck Hawk
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by UML Puck Hawk View Post
    • The Division I Men’s Ice Hockey Ccommittee has indicated that some adjustments would be made to the Ratings Percentage Index criteria to award some credit for a team that loses in the overtime period.
    Any of our RPI experts have an idea how they will do this? Honestly this seems bigger than switching to 4 v 4 OT to me.

    Leave a comment:


  • Bonin21
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by giwan View Post
    Keep it simple one OT 10 minutes. Then be happy with a tie.
    Yes most people on here are okay with ties... But the chances of getting them back in the Big Ten or NCHC are not good. So minimizing shootouts should make us happy.

    Leave a comment:


  • giwan
    replied
    Originally posted by Bonin21 View Post
    I'm not sure what you disagree with. You must support a conference that doesn't have shootouts so it's a little different. All I'm saying is, selfishly:

    4 on 4 + 3 on 3 + stupid shootout > 5 on 5 + stupid shootout

    because it minimizes the chances of the stupid shootout.
    Keep it simple one OT 10 minutes. Then be happy with a tie.

    Leave a comment:


  • giwan
    replied
    Originally posted by purpleinnebraska View Post
    Have we learned nothing from the NHL's offsides challenges? Zapruder film breakdowns of whether a skate might have been in the air or on the ice, with all energy drained out of the building while fans sit around. Fabulous. We're paying 2 linesmen to watch for that. Let them do their jobs
    Couldn't agree more. Do not follow the NHL it's not the same game.

    Leave a comment:


  • Jaws
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Agree. And I heard a good idea last week. Have the blue lin be like the goal line in football. If a skate is in the plane of the blue line, the play is on side.
    Originally posted by purpleinnebraska View Post
    Have we learned nothing from the NHL's offsides challenges? Zapruder film breakdowns of whether a skate might have been in the air or on the ice, with all energy drained out of the building while fans sit around. Fabulous. We're paying 2 linesmen to watch for that. Let them do their jobs

    Leave a comment:


  • Bonin21
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by Split-N View Post
    Respectfully disagree. One of the attractive things about hockey, at least to me, is that it recognized (until the NHL started screwing around) that on a given night, one team might not be better than the other and that the only fair and legitimate outcome is a tie on the scoreboard and one standings point for each team. Now it looks like the NCAA is following the NHL lead in having tightly contested games decided by gimmicks. And shootouts? A complete atrocity that decides the outcome of games based more on luck than skill.
    I'm not sure what you disagree with. You must support a conference that doesn't have shootouts so it's a little different. All I'm saying is, selfishly:

    4 on 4 + 3 on 3 + stupid shootout > 5 on 5 + stupid shootout

    because it minimizes the chances of the stupid shootout.

    Leave a comment:


  • purpleinnebraska
    replied
    Originally posted by Koho View Post

    Is there not already a helmet rule? When are they not wearing them now that this rule covers? (Oh yeah, and I think this rule will ruin the game of Hockey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
    I'm guessing this is in response to the tragic death of referee Butch Mousseau, who was not wearing a helmet during pre game warmups when he tripped and hit his head,

    Leave a comment:


  • CrazyDave
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by Koho View Post
    Is there not already a helmet rule? When are they not wearing them now that this rule covers?
    Assuming this is a serious question (I know, I know) I can think of three scenarios...

    -- Officials not wearing helmets during team warm-ups
    -- Players leaving their helmets on the bench at the end of the warm-up but having to skate across the ice to go to their locker room (particularly while teammates or opponents are still shooting)
    -- Officials and players coming onto the ice just prior to team introductions

    Another assumption is that Senior Day/Night recognition activities will be exempt.
    Last edited by CrazyDave; 06-11-2016, 11:27 AM.

    Leave a comment:


  • Split-N
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by Bonin21 View Post
    The 3 on 3 would be conference only. Ya we all know ties are fine to hockey purists. But a game that ends in a 4 on 4 or 3 on 3 is WAY better than ending in a shootout and that's all that matters. This is an improvement from the current state. We're not going to get the 5 min OT and then tie back.
    Respectfully disagree. One of the attractive things about hockey, at least to me, is that it recognized (until the NHL started screwing around) that on a given night, one team might not be better than the other and that the only fair and legitimate outcome is a tie on the scoreboard and one standings point for each team. Now it looks like the NCAA is following the NHL lead in having tightly contested games decided by gimmicks. And shootouts? A complete atrocity that decides the outcome of games based more on luck than skill.

    Leave a comment:


  • WeAreNDHockey
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    I'm a purist. Play 60 minutes and let the result stand. If ties are such a bad thing play real hockey until you get winner. If the shootout is something to be avoided, avoid it altogether. Baseball is toying with the idea of eliminating the excitement of making the pitcher throw 4 actual pitches to intentionally walk a batter. They are not going to make a rule that says this only applies to the starting pitcher. Or only in extra innings. Or only after 2 previous IBBs are issued.

    Of course if you really want to get rid of shootouts, get rid of ties. And if you want to get rid of ties, find an actual way to increase scoring. During the early era of Notre Dame hockey (1970/71-1982/83) an average of 4 games went beyond regulation per season. In the more modern era since returning to conference affiliated D1 play, (1992/93-2015/16) they have averaged 6.6 games going more than 60 minutes, a 65% increase. Scoring in the 1970s and 80s was substantially higher than it is today. This season's 10 OT games is a total never exceeded and equaled only once (1999/00) in 37 seasons worth of top level hockey.

    I don't particularly feel the 3X3 OT is the panacea many see to avoid the shootout. Coaches hated the idea because they were afraid they'd lose control over the outcome since the chaotic nature that 3X3 hockey often turns into shuns the very nature of "coachable." But look at the Detroit Red Wings during the regular season. They played 20 games this year that went more than 60 minutes. The first 9 were decided in the 3X3 OT, but the next 11 saw 6 go to a shootout. This is a small sample, yes. But the other NHL team I follow, the New York Islanders, were even less exciting in the OT. Their first two OT games were decided in the 3X3. They played 17 more OT games and 9 went to a shootout. The coaches are figuring it out. College coaches, who exert even more control over far less skilled skaters, will also quickly figure this out and you will see almost as many games decided in a shootout. I'm curious as to the stats in the rest of the NHL. If my suspicion is wrong I'd like to see the numbers but I'm willing to bet it was similar throughout the NHL.

    Leave a comment:


  • Koho
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by purpleinnebraska View Post
    Have we learned nothing from the NHL's offsides challenges? Zapruder film breakdowns of whether a skate might have been in the air or on the ice, with all energy drained out of the building while fans sit around. Fabulous. We're paying 2 linesmen to watch for that. Let them do their jobs
    I agree. College games are far from having as many camera angles as NHL. I watch a decent amount of NHL, not a lot, and have already seen a few cases where the replay in inconclusive due to what you describe. Not worth the break. Cameras for in the net or not, and nothing else is fine for me, until they install cameras in the boards at the blueline near the base (ad even then, view will be blocked by other players legs often).

    Given the alternative of a shootout, I am fine with the 4 on 4, with anything after that only affecting conference standings. 10 minute ot would be preference.

    Is there not already a helmet rule? When are they not wearing them now that this rule covers? (Oh yeah, and I think this rule will ruin the game of Hockey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    Leave a comment:


  • purpleinnebraska
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Have we learned nothing from the NHL's offsides challenges? Zapruder film breakdowns of whether a skate might have been in the air or on the ice, with all energy drained out of the building while fans sit around. Fabulous. We're paying 2 linesmen to watch for that. Let them do their jobs

    Leave a comment:


  • D2D
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    In the case of a tie after regulation, I would vote for:
    4 on 4 for 5 minutes, then if still tied
    3 on 3 for 5 minutes, then if still tied
    The game is officially a tie.

    Leave a comment:


  • Ralph Baer
    replied
    Re: Rule's Committee Recommends 4 on 4 OT, RPI to adjust for OT losses

    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    RPI can't depend on a gimmick.
    But Clarkson can?

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X