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    Over in the women's forum an article about Gopher men's attendance came up. In the article revenue for several schools, including Providence, was reported and I was very interested in PC's reported revenue of $3.3 million for the 2014-15 season. In looking for those numbers I got sidetracked by the NCAA's DI Revenues & Expenses Report for 2004-14. It breaks down everything into the Football Bowl Subdivision, Football Championship Subdivision and without Football. In looking at the ice hockey numbers for revenues and expenses and coaching salaries I immediately noticed an interesting thing: both FBS and non-football schools spend more on men's and women's ice hockey then FCS schools do. And I'm taking about a small difference, the median expenses for FCS schools is over a $1 million less for men's teams and about a $1 million less for women's teams. I created a spreadsheet with 2014 Hockey Revenues & Expenses using the numbers from the NCAA report (I added "Actual Net Difference" columns as the NCAA appears to use fuzzy math).

    I know in the Maine thread here there has been a lot of discussion about the impact of their football program on the hockey team and these numbers appear to confirm that FCS football does indeed impact hockey programs at those schools.

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    Re: Disparity of Support Between FBS and non-Football Schools and FCS Schools

    Off the top of my head, I'd say it makes sense. FBS schools are the "haves", the ones with plenty of money to spend on athletics and plenty of money coming in on licensing and sponsorships. Schools without football are more likely to have hockey as their signature sport, so they'd spend more on it than FCS schools, which have less income than FBS schools but still have to support a football team.


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    • #3
      Re: Disparity of Support Between FBS and non-Football Schools and FCS Schools

      How did you account for schools with non Division 1 football such as Merrimack or Bentley?

      How many schools nationally actually have FCS football and hockey? 10? Most of which are in the Ivy league which has unique financials? I can think of 4 that arent: Maine, UNH, Holy Cross and Colgate....kind of a small sampe size.

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      • #4
        Re: Disparity of Support Between FBS and non-Football Schools and FCS Schools

        Wait a minute.

        Minnesota has football?!
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        • #5
          Re: Disparity of Support Between FBS and non-Football Schools and FCS Schools

          Originally posted by MGoBlueHockey View Post
          Wait a minute.

          Minnesota has football?!
          We have managed to beat you 25 times.
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          • #6
            Re: Disparity of Support Between FBS and non-Football Schools and FCS Schools

            And in Providence's case, the hoops team is the marquee program.
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            • #7
              Re: Disparity of Support Between FBS and non-Football Schools and FCS Schools

              Originally posted by BoSox3066 View Post
              How did you account for schools with non Division 1 football such as Merrimack or Bentley?
              I don't know how the NCAA accounts for them, but I would gues they are not included in the DI report.

              Originally posted by BoSox3066 View Post
              How many schools nationally actually have FCS football and hockey? 10? Most of which are in the Ivy league which has unique financials? I can think of 4 that arent: Maine, UNH, Holy Cross and Colgate....kind of a small sampe size.
              According to a Wikipedia List of NCAA Division I FCS football programs I see 13 schools that also have ice hockey:
              Brown University
              Colgate University
              College of the Holy Cross
              Cornell University
              Dartmouth College
              Harvard University
              Princeton University
              Robert Morris University
              Sacred Heart University
              University of Maine
              University of New Hampshire
              University of North Dakota
              Yale University

              As for a small sample size, there are only 16 FBS schools with ice hockey (Syracuse has women's only) and 10 DI non-football schools (if I counted correctly).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MGoBlueHockey View Post
                Wait a minute.

                Minnesota has football?!
                Funny, the same joke was being made about Michigan not all that long ago.
                Last edited by GrinCDXX; 03-27-2016, 02:44 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Disparity of Support Between FBS and non-Football Schools and FCS Schools

                  Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
                  Funny, the same joke was being made about Michigan that all that long ago.
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