Big Ten 2015-2016

[dxmnkd316]

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I dont believe they will ever join a conference fully.

I think it's only a matter of time, like Gurt said, before the money changes that equation. Conferences are running away from Notre Dame in the TV money game. I think the SEC network is even ahead of them now.

[dxmnkd316]

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Purdue?? not really much of a game but i understand the interstate stuff. I agree with the rest.

It's an extremely old rivalry. They play for the Shillelagh trophy.

[fightingsiouxfan16]

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It's an extremely old rivalry. They play for the Shillelagh trophy.

I thought the Shillelagh Trophy was ND vs BC

[dxmnkd316]

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Nope. That's the Holy War I believe. Don't think that one is very old or played as much as Purdue.

[billmich88888]

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I thought the Shillelagh Trophy was ND vs BC

Notre dame also plays for the Shillelagh Trophy with U.S.C.

From Wikipedia:
The Fighting Irish and Eagles play for the Frank Leahy Memorial Bowl and Ireland Trophy

[fightingsiouxfan16]

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Notre dame also plays for the Shillelagh Trophy with U.S.C.

That trophy really gets around lol

[billmich88888]

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That trophy really gets around lol

Just like Kim Dunbar did

[fightingsiouxfan16]

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Nope. That's the Holy War I believe. Don't think that one is very old or played as much as Purdue.

Yes you are right. Holy war is also Utah vs BYU

[Gurtholfin]

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Imagine Notre Dame in the Big Ten Championship game in Indianapolis.

Would be another bowl game for them.


I'm guessing they've imagined it too. Unfortunately, they'd most likely be put in the east, so they'd be playing Iowa, UW or Nebraska.

Still would be a big game.

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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(Edit: This is in response to the 'will ND ever join a conference fully'/TV revenue discussion earlier)

Conversely, does anyone else get the impression that TV revenue (especially that tied to cable networks) is a bubble that might burst some time soon? Or if not burst, at least deflate?

[SOTA]

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Someone had asked "what's changed?" I think it's simple. Before, I believe the Big Ten had a stance with Notre Dame of "you're welcome to join, but you must join for all sports." Notre Dame has always said no, wanting to hold onto their football independence. The ACC was wiling to budge on that. Now it looks like the Big Ten is willing to budge as well.

In 10-15 years, I see Notre Dame either A) having a similar arrangement they currently have with the ACC with the Big Ten, or B) being in the conference fully. I think scenario A can work out if they figure out the TV end of things. If 3 football games per year were on BTN since they'd be at a Big Ten stadium without letting Notre Dame have a large stake in the network, I could see something being worked out where Notre Dame keeps their independence, keeps their NBC stuff, and the Big Ten & BTN benefits as a whole.

[dxmnkd316]

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(Edit: This is in response to the 'will ND ever join a conference fully'/TV revenue discussion earlier)

Conversely, does anyone else get the impression that TV revenue (especially that tied to cable networks) is a bubble that might burst some time soon? Or if not burst, at least deflate?

It is a bubble and it will burst at some point. However, the Big Ten is still king. Research, brand, athletics, the whole shebang. It's the king of the conferences for a reason. I'm not trying to be a dick, but there's a reason that even Minnesota is ranked in the top ten of publics.

[dxmnkd316]

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Someone had asked "what's changed?" I think it's simple. Before, I believe the Big Ten had a stance with Notre Dame of "you're welcome to join, but you must join for all sports." Notre Dame has always said no, wanting to hold onto their football independence. The ACC was wiling to budge on that. Now it looks like the Big Ten is willing to budge as well.

In 10-15 years, I see Notre Dame either A) having a similar arrangement they currently have with the ACC with the Big Ten, or B) being in the conference fully. I think scenario A can work out if they figure out the TV end of things. If 3 football games per year were on BTN since they'd be at a Big Ten stadium without letting Notre Dame have a large stake in the network, I could see something being worked out where Notre Dame keeps their independence, keeps their NBC stuff, and the Big Ten & BTN benefits as a whole.

Copied from GPL earlier this month:

Our embargo of Cuba Notre Dame with the ultimatum they have to give up communism football independence hasn't worked for the last fifty years. Maybe both the US and the Big Ten realize exclusionist policies aren't working.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So I think you're right.

I think (hope) the Big Ten is realizing the embargo hasn't worked. So why not start with some associate memberships to get their fanbase used to the idea of being a member of the Big Ten. Will hockey do much to help that? Nope. But it's a start.

[Decatur Spartan]

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Notre Dame would get all of the quality opponents and rivals they need in the Big Ten. If I had to guess, they are currently evaluating which games are most valuable. Michigan, Stanford, USC, Navy, Michigan State, Purdue are the ones that come to mind immediately. Three of those are not in the big ten. I could see them scheduling one or two of those a season.

Not to distract us from the original discussion though.

The 'Fightin Harbaugh's' have not been, or are on the ND schedule for a number of years. So, the USC, Navy games should be safe.

[dxmnkd316]

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The 'Fightin Harbaugh's' have not been, or are on the ND schedule for a number of years. So, the USC, Navy games should be safe.

By that you mean September of 2014?