2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

[DaveDan]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

FWIW: The Milo incident parallels that of UNH's Dan Dries that culminanted with his dismissal just prior to the 2009 NCAA tourney. UNH then played a couple of inspired NCAA games v North Dakota and BU, in spite of the turmoil.

Will be interesting to see how UVM responds.

See: UNH dismisses Dries from hockey team
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articl...-NEWS-90328012

[hockeymascot]

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Totally agree with Nick on this. From a public relations perspective Milo saying he was blindsided does not look good. If I were a committed recruit or a parent of a recruit it would have me scratching my head and potentially second guessing my decision.

I disagree with you and Nick. Are you kidding me? Since you are scratching your head, please use it. First off, Milo is lying in his comments to the press and second, this has nothing to do with the recruits. There is a history with this player (see Cornell).

I marvel at human behavior and "the need to know". I can only imagine how many viewers will be tuned to the television tomorrow at 11a.m. when Tiger Woods has his press conference.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I was under the impression he left Cornell on his own will to be able to pursue both baseball and hockey. If that is not correct, someone please correct me. And if that is the case, then he was only booted from 1 hockey program.

Saying he is lying is purely speculative. Facts are scarce. He's talking. Sneddon isn't. Who is telling the truth and reading between the lines is all speculation. To an outsider (recruit), it would possibly be a cause for concern to see a team's 2nd leading scorer dismissed and having him go to the press with the impression that he's been blindsided and his hockey career completely derailed (luckily for him he is also good at baseball).

Some kids might see that three players being dismissed in one year means the coach is wild and has no control on the program and be a little leery of the program. Others may see it as a no-nonsense coach they want to play for that is looking for discipline and will not accept anything less than the best you can give him and want to go to UVM. That's all I'm saying. Certainly not going out on much of a limb to think some kids considering the program might be turned off by the situation.

[shooter27]

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Not a UVM fan, just an interested observer.

Small thought on the recruits issue (having been through a recruiting process myself). In most cases the recruits, unlike the general public, will get told most, if not all, of the details surrounding the dismissal, either through future teammates or the staff. Therefore, they will have access to full information, much like the rest of the members of the team, and will be able to form their opinions and make decisions based on relatively full information, not the speculation that is out there in the public.

[jcarter7669]

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If you actually watched the game it was a very evenly played game and one of the better TV performances as far as general play.

Well that is your opinion and HAVING WATCHED the game I thought they took a shellacking.

Spillane was horrible, not a few mistakes he was horrible. The d was horrible, not a few breakdowns but horrible.

That is of course JMO

[hockeymascot]

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I was under the impression he left Cornell on his own will to be able to pursue both baseball and hockey.

Saying he is lying is purely speculative.

Well your impression is wrong because I know you don't know all the facts as to why he left Cornell. I am not implying that I know more than you, but I do know there were issues with the team and coach.

Saying he is lying is not speculative when you look at what has led up to his dismissal. He said he was blindsided.....if you believe that, then I'll meet you at the end of the rainbow and we'll share the pot of gold.....if I don't show....you can have it all!

[jcarter7669]

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I was under the impression he left Cornell on his own will to be able to pursue both baseball and hockey. If that is not correct, someone please correct me. And if that is the case, then he was only booted from 1 hockey program.

Saying he is lying is purely speculative. Facts are scarce. He's talking. Sneddon isn't. Who is telling the truth and reading between the lines is all speculation. To an outsider (recruit), it would possibly be a cause for concern to see a team's 2nd leading scorer dismissed and having him go to the press with the impression that he's been blindsided and his hockey career completely derailed (luckily for him he is also good at baseball).

Some kids might see that three players being dismissed in one year means the coach is wild and has no control on the program and be a little leery of the program. Others may see it as a no-nonsense coach they want to play for that is looking for discipline and will not accept anything less than the best you can give him and want to go to UVM. That's all I'm saying. Certainly not going out on much of a limb to think some kids considering the program might be turned off by the situation.

To be fair, Franklin left due to a lack of playing time and Atkinson was for family matters if I'm not mistaken. Milo is the only one that was dismissed. The other two just left.

As for the Milo thing, someone brought up a point ( on the BurlingtonFreePress Thread) I was unaware of in that this supposedly is a regular occurrence for Milo and that he has rarely stayed with a team for more then a year or two, "wearing out his welcome in a year "

Checking back on this :
Shattuck St. Marys
Stampede (1yr)
Ice (28g) (1/2 yr)
Stars (28g) (1/2 yr)
Cornell (1 yr)
UVM (2yr)



He certainly has had little luck sticking with a team for more then a single season.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Well your impression is wrong because I know you don't know all the facts as to why he left Cornell. I am not implying that I know more than you, but I do know there were issues with the team and coach.

OK then, Sneddon took a player with past issues and now had to kick him off his team. He doesn't look too INCOMPETENT now, does he?! Nah.

You seem to not know much but you act like you do. He says he was blindsided. I have no reason to believe he's lying. Healthy scratch here and there, fine. I don't know what he was told about being withheld from the lineup. You don't know what he was told. But if speculating about how he feels is your gig, keep rolling with it. Seems like there's a very small brain inside that big mascot head.

jcarter, thanks for clarification on the other 2 guys that left the program.

[jcarter7669]

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FYI, Nick,
regarding Milo's departure from Cornell


""There were a few issues with me and the hockey coach at Cornell," explained the sophomore, referring to Big Red head coach Mike Schafer. "It's just the way it was. It was a couple of different things. It wasn't just [an issue related to baseball]."
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/new.../22_justin.php

[hockeymascot]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

OK then, Sneddon took a player with past issues and now had to kick him off his team.

You are correct...he took a player with past issues. However, I am sure those issues were not known at the time of his transfer.

[hockeymascot]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

FYI, Nick,
regarding Milo's departure from Cornell


""There were a few issues with me and the hockey coach at Cornell," explained the sophomore, referring to Big Red head coach Mike Schafer. "It's just the way it was. It was a couple of different things. It wasn't just [an issue related to baseball]."
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/new.../22_justin.php

Thank you Jay.....sorry for imposing on your thread. You seem to have things under control!

[Cat lover]

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To be fair, Burrows left due to a lack of playing time and Atkinson was for family matters if I'm not mistaken. Milo is the only one that was dismissed. The other two just left.

If Burrows had left how did he get beat on the 3rd goal Sat?

For those non-UVM fans it was Franklin a forward who left and he didnt play much but forth line every few games, not Burrows a defensemen who has played almost every game in his years at VT.

[jcarter7669]

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If Burrows had left how did he get beat on the 3rd goal Sat?

For those non-UVM fans it was Franklin a forward who left and he didnt play much but forth line every few games, not Burrows a defensemen who has played almost every game in his years at VT.

Thanks for the correction, my bad

It has been fixed

[Cat lover]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

FYI, Nick,
regarding Milo's departure from Cornell


""There were a few issues with me and the hockey coach at Cornell," explained the sophomore, referring to Big Red head coach Mike Schafer. "It's just the way it was. It was a couple of different things. It wasn't just [an issue related to baseball]."
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/new.../22_justin.php

The puzzle is starting to come together.

I heard from someone who knows someone(take it for what you will) that Milo had been repeatedly showing lack of respect for Sneddon and the coaching staff. Which would explain the benchings and when it continued a dismissal. Reading his quote above and it sounds like the same thing.

Maybe he just has a problem with authority and that kind of thing would have to be dealt with by any coach no matter how good the player was or the team would get dragged down with him, which might explain last weekends effort.

[FiveHole12]

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Just a few years ago, I recall a team that had two top players dismissed from the team, after the first game, for breaking team rules, and one star forward that missed virtually the entire season due to injury.

Of the two dismissed from the team, one was an All-American caliber defenseman, the other a senior, top 4 D-man.

The team wound up faring pretty well that season, and the incident seemed to have no effect on recruiting. Hang in there UVM fans.

This was the team.