Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

[Crimson on the Glass]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

No love for UNO or RIT from the "experts" at CHN

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/rep...sRegionals.php

Wow, not one picked RIT to win a game, and just one picked Omaha to win just one game.

And then 5 out of 8 chose Harvard to defeat the tournament's top seed. That's crazy talk, isn't it?

[MavHockey14]

Wow, not one picked RIT to win a game, and just one picked Omaha to win just one game.

And then 5 out of 8 chose Harvard to defeat the tournament's top seed. That's crazy talk, isn't it?

I'm not saying it can't happen, because I've seen far too many crazy hockey games, but it would be a remarkable feat if the 40th ranked Pairwise team beat the #1 ranked Pairwise team.

[MavsFan19]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

No love for UNO or RIT from the "experts" at CHN

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/rep...sRegionals.php

I think its funny that a lot of people, and rightfully so, are pointing to how strong harvard has looked these past few weeks, but then look at ND and ignore the fact they lost their last 2, and 1 of those was to SCSU. Granted the games are in Fargo but i watched the ND games and they didnt look good at all in St. Paul.

I dont like everyone over looking RIT in round 1 but I will take them overlooking MSUM in the bracket. Im a bit surprised that so many are overlooking UNO.

[lmg6841]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

I'm not saying it can't happen, because I've seen far too many crazy hockey games, but it would be a remarkable feat if the 40th ranked Pairwise team beat the #1 ranked Pairwise team.

*cough*

[ZamboniDude]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

I'm not saying it can't happen, because I've seen far too many crazy hockey games, but it would be a remarkable feat if the 40th ranked Pairwise team beat the #1 ranked Pairwise team.

To put it in perspective vs the RIT Frozen Four run in 2010, this year is:
Minnesota St (29-7-3, #1 PWR) vs RIT (19-14-5, #38 PWR)

The 2010 East regional was:
Denver (29-7-4, #2 PWR) vs RIT (26-11-1, #25 PWR)
and then
RIT vs New Hampshire (17-13-7, #11 PWR)

So, from a pairwise perspective, a win for RIT Saturday against MinnSt would be a longer shot than the Denver win in 2010. I guess the question for the fans becomes, in this era of "parity" in D1 hockey, when does a win qualify as a remarkable feat?

[dpm105]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

I'm not saying it can't happen, because I've seen far too many crazy hockey games, but it would be a remarkable feat if the 40th ranked Pairwise team beat the #1 ranked Pairwise team.

Agreed, but I do want to point out that Pairwise is really a flawed statistic when evaluating AHC teams. Too few OOC games, too many games against conference opponents with a terrible pairwise. Even the best teams will lose some games in conference throughout the season.

[Iwearpurple]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

Agreed, but I do want to point out that Pairwise is really a flawed statistic when evaluating AHC teams. Too few OOC games, too many games against conference opponents with a terrible pairwise. Even the best teams will lose some games in conference throughout the season.

Massey must be more flawed because they have RIT ranked 42nd, and Krach who many have advocated to use rather than pairwise must be completely out of the universe. Krach has RIT ranked 46th.

And Minnesota State did lose 4 conference games this season.

[dpm105]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

Massey must be more flawed because they have RIT ranked 42nd, and Krach who many have advocated to use rather than pairwise must be completely out of the universe. Krach has RIT ranked 46th.

And Minnesota State did lose 4 conference games this season.

I'm not saying that it isn't a ranking that has merit, all I am trying to point out is that the "AHC Tax" on teams in that league is pretty high in the pairwise.

Of course this game will be a massive upset if RIT finds a way to win, they are a member of the worst league in Division 1 and can't award a single athletic scholarship.

The point I was attempting to make (and apparently failed at) was that the difference in quality of team between RIT and Providence may not be as great as the pairwise might indicate.

[MavsFan19]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

With RIT already making a frozen four its kind of selfish of them to try and stop our first attempt. New York hospitality at its finest.....

[dpm105]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

Fargo is looking good... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3915179&type=1

Can it be Saturday yet?

[Crimson on the Glass]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

I'm not saying that it isn't a ranking that has merit, all I am trying to point out is that the "AHC Tax" on teams in that league is pretty high in the pairwise.

Of course this game will be a massive upset if RIT finds a way to win, they are a member of the worst league in Division 1 and can't award a single athletic scholarship.

The point I was attempting to make (and apparently failed at) was that the difference in quality of team between RIT and Providence may not be as great as the pairwise might indicate.

You've raised some questions.

If the teams in a particular conference are as a whole poor, wouldn't a good team rack up an outstanding record against them, win most of its OOC games, and have all that reflected in the PWR?

Are teams that do not award athletic scholarships unable to win the NCAA D1 men's ice hockey national championship?

Has Providence been swapped to South Bend to play RIT? Because that would shorten my trip to see Harvard play, considerably.

[Crimson on the Glass]

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Just looking at RIT's schedule. Your guys scheduled games against BC, Yale, UMass Lowell and Minnesota? I think there was potential for some serious PWR advancement if you had beaten any of them.

[lmg6841]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

You've raised some questions.

If the teams in a particular conference are as a whole poor, wouldn't a good team rack up an outstanding record against them, win most of its OOC games, and have all that reflected in the PWR?

Are teams that do not award athletic scholarships unable to win the NCAA D1 men's ice hockey national championship?

Has Providence been swapped to South Bend to play RIT? Because that would shorten my trip to see Harvard play, considerably.

1) Depends on your OOC schedule. You could probably sweep the AHC, have an above .500 OOC and still come in as the 16th seed. Playing teams with bad PWR really wastes your time more than anything. God forbid you start getting ties (look at what happened to RMU). It definitely doesn't help that our conference is at a lower scholarship cap than the rest of college hockey.

2) Union did it, and so can RIT... probably not this year though.

3) Providence is the 15th seed. He's saying that there's probably more parity there than what PWR shows.

[dpm105]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

Just looking at RIT's schedule. Your guys scheduled games against BC, Yale, UMass Lowell and Minnesota? I think there was potential for some serious PWR advancement if you had beaten any of them.

You're right, RIT had four whole chances to play a top 20 (PWR) team this season, what was I thinking?

[purpleinnebraska]

Re: Midwest Regional: Minnesota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Harvard, RIT

I'm not a math guy so maybe you nerds at RIT can help me out. I'm sympathetic to your argument that there's a bootstrapping effect in the Pairwise that keeps AHA teams down (and this year appears to have elevated a couple NCHC teams), but how would you fix it? Dumb it down for me, if you could