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  • Numbers
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    Re: John t whelan ranking simulator

    With respect to RHamilton, I would like to ask admin to change the name of the thread to "2013-14 PWR/RPI discussion". Can anyone help me know how to do that?

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Here are the results as of games completed 12 November 2013:

    Quality Wins Bonus:
    5.00 Minnesota
    4.75 St. Cloud State
    4.50 Providence
    4.25 Boston College
    4.00 Michigan
    3.75 Quinnipiac
    3.50 Northeastern
    3.25 Miami
    3.00 Wisconsin
    2.75 Ferris State
    2.50 Notre Dame
    2.25 LSSU
    2.00 Bowling Green
    1.75 RPI
    1.50 North Dakota
    1.25 UMASS Lowell
    1.00 Minnesota State Mankato
    0.75 St. Lawrence
    0.50 Vermont
    0.25 Yale

    And, given the discussions we had on the other thread, the tournament field according to version 0.4 of the application which has fixed how the Quality Wins Bonus is calculated, and is soon to be released:

    Minnesota
    St. Cloud State
    Providence
    Boston College

    Michigan
    Quinnipiac
    Miami
    Northeastern

    Wisconsin
    Ferris State
    Notre Dame
    LSSU

    Bowling Green
    RPI
    North Dakota
    AHA Champ (36 - Air Force)

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by RHamilton View Post
    I guess if this is the "chosen" PWR/RPI discussion thread, I have another implementation question! On that note, perhaps a unified thread with a better topic/subject is at hand?

    Are wins with negative impact removed before quality win bonuses have been applied or after? It seems like a question that shouldn't need to be answered (and probably won't need to be by season's end), but right now my implementation is removing BC's win over Rensselaer due to negative impact, yet Rensselaer is in the top 20 and thus yields a quality win bonus for the (removed) game. Definitely doesn't seem right to add a bonus for a removed game, but the NCAA memo establishes a fairly clear order of operations -- bonuses come last. Further, the bonus BC receives from the win over Rensselaer exceeds the penalty sustained to their RPI if the win is NOT removed, so it would be an injustice to BC to only award Quality Win Bonuses to non-removed games.
    You may want to check your calculations. The only removal I have for BC is against Army on November 10th. Likewise, to a discussion we were having previously, the wins I have removed for RPI are October 19th vs. Sacred Heart (the home win) and November 2nd vs. Dartmouth, but the away win vs. Sacred Heart stays, given the weighting allows for a higher RatingsPI for RPI.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by Numbers View Post
    Why no Holy Cross at Connecticut game on your schedule list for tonight, Flaggy?
    Perhaps it was rescheduled? There have been several reschedules since we had that schedules thread in the off-season.

    EDIT: It was originally scheduled for December 14th. Once I get the Tuesday games in, I will put up the new listing to reflect that game.
    Last edited by FlagDUDE08; 11-13-2013, 08:18 AM.

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  • RHamilton
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    I guess if this is the "chosen" PWR/RPI discussion thread, I have another implementation question! On that note, perhaps a unified thread with a better topic/subject is at hand?

    Are wins with negative impact removed before quality win bonuses have been applied or after? It seems like a question that shouldn't need to be answered (and probably won't need to be by season's end), but right now my implementation is removing BC's win over Rensselaer due to negative impact, yet Rensselaer is in the top 20 and thus yields a quality win bonus for the (removed) game. Definitely doesn't seem right to add a bonus for a removed game, but the NCAA memo establishes a fairly clear order of operations -- bonuses come last. Further, the bonus BC receives from the win over Rensselaer exceeds the penalty sustained to their RPI if the win is NOT removed, so it would be an injustice to BC to only award Quality Win Bonuses to non-removed games.

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  • Numbers
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    Why no Holy Cross at Connecticut game on your schedule list for tonight, Flaggy?

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by Numbers View Post
    Works for me also. I now have version 0.3. My results have NoDak ahead of Lowell, though. I wonder what is causing that inconsistency, FD?
    Probably because there isn't an actual algorithm for tiebreak, and it sorts it based upon your last sort. Perhaps Priceless was alphabetical, but Numbers was by RatingsPI. This, along with the Quality Wins Bonus, is actually a fix for version 0.4.

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  • Numbers
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    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    That works. I have v .3 and my results match - except my results broke the tie between UML and NoDak in Lowell's favor (which it shouldn't have based on RPI).
    Works for me also. I now have version 0.3. My results have NoDak ahead of Lowell, though. I wonder what is causing that inconsistency, FD?

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    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Interesting... unless I'm demented and threw the wrong executable in on each one. How are you running this? The exe or jar?

    I just took a look, and it looks like the right jar wasn't updated. Try it again.
    That works. I have v .3 and my results match - except my results broke the tie between UML and NoDak in Lowell's favor (which it shouldn't have based on RPI).

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    Moving this back here



    I get different results and I figured out why. No matter which version I download, I get V 0.1 on my system. I tried deleting everything and starting over, but still get V 0.1 even when I download from the links for version 2 or 3.
    Interesting... unless I'm demented and threw the wrong executable in on each one. How are you running this? The exe or jar?

    I just took a look, and it looks like the right jar wasn't updated. Try it again.

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    Moving this back here

    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Update after games played on 10 November 2013:

    And the tournament field:

    Boston College
    Minnesota
    St. Cloud State
    Providence

    Miami
    Quinnipiac
    Michigan
    St. Lawrence

    Notre Dame
    Wisconsin
    Northeastern
    Boston University

    Ferris State
    North Dakota
    UMASS Lowell
    AHA Champ (39 - Air Force)
    I get different results and I figured out why. No matter which version I download, I get V 0.1 on my system. I tried deleting everything and starting over, but still get V 0.1 even when I download from the links for version 2 or 3.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    Weird. I click on the Sunday game and the message indicates Michigan State is the winner. When I click on "hide completed games" it no longer shows up. Obviously I'm doing something wrong. We'll check again next week.
    You're not doing anything wrong on that part. If you click "Hide Completed Games", that's going to remove from the display any game in which an outcome has been determined. By saying "Michigan State won", the outcome is determined. If the game were set to "Not Played / No Contest", it'd still be there. However, the game is still in the master list.

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  • Numbers
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    And Now, strangely, with a total restart, I get:

    1- Minny, 2 - SCSU, 3 - BC, 4 - Q-pac
    5 - Prov, 6 - Mia, 7 - NoDak, 8 - Mich
    9 - NE, 10 - Wisc, 11 - LSSU, 12 - BU
    13 - Lowell, 14 - StL, 15 - Ferris, 16 - Bemidji

    And, Air Force at 40

    Sounds like there are a few bugs FD. I sent you an email. Maybe the calculator keeps any data loaded, so if you "Load Data" for a 2nd calculation, you carry along the first ones? I know there was an issue with CHN's "You are the Committee" somewhat like that in years past.

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    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Maybe my list didn't include it. There's no reason, at least I don't see, why you and I would be getting different lists. I got your exact list with my web-load and not including the Sunday game. I'll make sure it is re-calculating, as it should be.
    Weird. I click on the Sunday game and the message indicates Michigan State is the winner. When I click on "hide completed games" it no longer shows up. Obviously I'm doing something wrong. We'll check again next week.

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  • Numbers
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    PWR - And I downloaded the results file yesterday morning.

    Pardon me. I was using 1102 results.

    Now, with 1103 results, I get:

    PWR:
    1-SCSU, 2- Minny, 3 - Quinn, 4 - Prov
    5 - BC, 6 - Mich, 7 - Mia, 8 - Lowell
    9 - Wisc, 10 - NoDak, 11 - StL, 12 - Ferris
    13 - LSSU, 14 - Vermont, 15 - BU, 16 - NE
    and Air Force at 36
    Last edited by Numbers; 11-05-2013, 09:12 AM.

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