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Everyone is talking about who could potentially replace Umile when he leaves. But if we get a coach out of our two assistants I have a feeling one or both may leave the program. Both Borek and Tortorella have a lot of D1 coaching experience and may decide to move on if they dont think that they have any chance of being a head coach at UNH.
So if we hire a new head coach I think we need to realize we might need to hire a head coach that has available assistants to bring with him. That is a lot of changover for the program. We need to worry about that sort of replacement for Umile when we are looking outside the program.
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Originally posted by Snively65 View PostI doubt that Marty is giving much thought to men's hockey coaching succession. Short of a NC, UNH has had a better past 15 years than all but a handful of Div 1 teams, and Umile is relatively young compared o some Div 1 coaches. I think that it would take a few consecutive 2011-2012 seasons to drive Umile to retirement.
Coach Umile turns 65 years old before the end of THIS year.
Succession planning NEEDS to at least be on Marty Scarano's radar. One thing all three of these guys likely do have going for them is that right now, they all can probably call their own shot on retirement. But three years ago, a fourth (Coach Parker) was just turning 65 years old, and was a year on from a D-1 title. Who among us thought at the time he didn't have his future in his 100% control as to when he would step down?
Things can change quickly. Performance, health, off-ice issues, etc. And with all due respect to Coach Umile, he is a little bit lighter in the trophy case than the other folks mentioned in this post. No one is pushing him out the door, but let's not kid ourselves that there are a host of same-age guys still in positions atop their D-1 programs in this sport. There aren't - and his two elders that do remain will be having statues erected at their alma maters if/when they finally do decide to hang it up.
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Originally posted by Snively65 View PostI doubt that Marty is giving much thought to men's hockey coaching succession. Short of a NC, UNH has had a better past 15 years than all but a handful of Div 1 teams, and Umile is relatively young compared o some Div 1 coaches. I think that it would take a few consecutive 2011-2012 seasons to drive Umile to retirement.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View PostNot quite. Jim Montgomery was a 300 point career scorer for Maine and has been a successful coach in the USHL. Plus he's 10-15 years older than Ciocco. However, I do think that he would be a real go getter when it comes to recruiting, although evaluating talent and landing it are two different skills.
"You're making my point."
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View PostNow that Maine has selected a coach, someone who wasn't on anybody's list at the beginning of the process, is their process of selection instructional for UNH? Like Maine, UNH is a program outside the Boston media market, their glory days increasingly in the rear view mirror for a variety of reasons and, most importantly, with a financial base that is not the equal of some of their Hockey East competitors (BC, BU, ND and, yes, UConn), never mind the Big Ten. When Umile announces his retirement I am sure UNH will start off with the same thought process as Maine, get a high profile coach with a solid D1 head coaching resume. But when confronted with the realities that they are not like BC, Michigan, etc. will they shift gears on the fly and take someone not considered at the start of the process? Money and admission policies are going to play a big part of this. Hope Marty is planning ahead.
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Originally posted by Felger View PostThanks guys, my question was somewhat sarcastic and rhetorical. I'm aware of Ciocco's attributes, but it seems he's becoming UNH's version of Jim Montgomery. .
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Postseason Thread
Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostBy all accounts, a nice guy and ambitious young UNH alum that many posters have fresh memories of his playing days, who also wants to be involved in the program. You can bet your bottom dollar that if Patrick Foley or Mark Mowers came on these boards and posted as themselves, they would also attract a huge amount of positive goodwill too.Originally posted by C-H-C View PostCiocco has the potential to be a top-notch recruiter for some college program. Since he joined the staff of U.S. Hockey Report in the Fall of 2011, he has been a prime contributor to their evaluations of young talent from the bantam level up to the USHL. He's logged a ton of miles going to rinks all over the US and Canada to appraise players at Showcase events, USA Hockey camps, and the like. His evaluations in USHR often predict which youngsters will become Division I vs. III players and who will develop into top-line talent in Division I.
I would certainly consider Josh a candidate, just not the candidate.
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostHeck - if the University can find $100K for a crappy new logo/marketing program, why can't they add an extra coach to the staff IF it addresses a need AND begins to set things up for an eventual succession plan after Coach Umile decides to hang it up?
Regarding the logo, the U's recent communication shows that at a minimum they have heard the reaction. Having had a few weeks to think about it, the thing that bothers me the most is that they chose an out of state firm, not keeping the money in NH.
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Originally posted by WIrinkrat View PostSo you're suggesting they break the NCAA rules? Sorry Chuck, you're off base...and I don't care where someone is coaching...if they are in D1 and making a full time salary (and probably a really good one at that at an Ivy) they aren't going to leave to work multiple jobs just so they can be on the staff at UNH. Your opinion of the relative value of working at UNH compared to other schools seems to be kind of inflated.
I realize there are a LOT of moving parts in there, and a LOT of assumptions too.
Or they could just go outside and bring in someone who does things entirely differently? Mike Babcock might be available in 10 years or so, and played in the WHL before finishing his playing career at McGill, so I think he would fit the bill when the time comes ...
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Postseason Thread
Originally posted by Felger View PostChanneling Bob Ryan here...
Can someone please explain the fascination with Josh Ciocco?
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Now that Maine has selected a coach, someone who wasn't on anybody's list at the beginning of the process, is their process of selection instructional for UNH? Like Maine, UNH is a program outside the Boston media market, their glory days increasingly in the rear view mirror for a variety of reasons and, most importantly, with a financial base that is not the equal of some of their Hockey East competitors (BC, BU, ND and, yes, UConn), never mind the Big Ten. When Umile announces his retirement I am sure UNH will start off with the same thought process as Maine, get a high profile coach with a solid D1 head coaching resume. But when confronted with the realities that they are not like BC, Michigan, etc. will they shift gears on the fly and take someone not considered at the start of the process? Money and admission policies are going to play a big part of this. Hope Marty is planning ahead.
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Postseason Thread
Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostIf that person's current coaching job was at a D-1 backwater like Brown, and it meant he could move up to coach at his alma mater, why would/should he rule that out?
The *other* job could be a flexible job at the school (please don't say they don't exist) or in private industry in the area. It can be done if someone wants it to happen.
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Originally posted by WIrinkrat View PostWhy would someone who already has a job coaching NCAA hockey exclusively want to go to a situation where they have to work with the hockey program AND at another full time job in the area to make ends meet (especially when other said job may not pay as much as they could make with their hockey salary elsewhere?) They also wouldn't be able to do any off campus recruiting.
Churchard worked at the school already and volunteered primarily as a sports psychologist. Not even close to being a similar situation as to what you are suggesting.
The *other* job could be a flexible job at the school (please don't say they don't exist) or in private industry in the area. It can be done if someone wants it to happen.
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Postseason Thread
Originally posted by Felger View PostChanneling Bob Ryan here...
Can someone please explain the fascination with Josh Ciocco?
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