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  • all bear
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    Originally posted by Kenny View Post
    Really? Should be a good one?

    Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Mike Mottau in the program than this Ayers guy. If Cav did get Mottau, that's a win. Conspiracy theorists will tell you Brownie was pushing for Ayers because he is not an alum. Hence less competition when JY leaves. Hope that is not true. I just think Mottau or any one of those BC candidates would have been a better 2nd asst choice.

    I just fear that with Logue and Cavanaugh gone, there's an emotional fire gone with them.
    Yes. It clearly is obvious that you guys are now going to the dumpsters. Chit, you'all be lucky to win 10 games next season... Hiring touchdown Mikey and all...who has the beachball picture?
    Last edited by all bear; 05-30-2013, 05:38 AM.

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  • Kenny
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    Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    This should be a good one!
    Really? Should be a good one?

    Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Mike Mottau in the program than this Ayers guy. If Cav did get Mottau, that's a win. Conspiracy theorists will tell you Brownie was pushing for Ayers because he is not an alum. Hence less competition when JY leaves. Hope that is not true. I just think Mottau or any one of those BC candidates would have been a better 2nd asst choice.

    I just fear that with Logue and Cavanaugh gone, there's an emotional fire gone with them.

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  • Onion Man
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    Interesting read, but did Milner lead BC to two national titles? I thought Muse played in 2010, no?

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  • Ralph Baer
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    RPI Blog Without a Peer article about BC http://www.withoutapeer.com/2013/05/...n-college.html.

    I have no connection to WaP except as a reader.

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  • Nick Papagiorgio
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    Re: Boston College '12-'13 Part III: Save us Hobey-John Gaudreaubey; you're our only

    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    Kenny, I'm not following you. What recruiting battle did Cav win?
    This should be a good one!

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  • J.D.
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    Re: Boston College '12-'13 Part III: Save us Hobey-John Gaudreaubey; you're our only

    Kenny, I'm not following you. What recruiting battle did Cav win?

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  • Kenny
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    Re: Boston College '12-'13 Part III: Save us Hobey-John Gaudreaubey; you're our only

    Originally posted by dover4345 View Post
    Did cav win the first recruiting battle?
    It appears so.

    As much as people don't want to admit this, and contrary to popular Hoky belief, BC hockey is going to miss Coach Cav's recruiting and salesmanship big time. The guy will talk to anyone, he is as genuine as they come, he has won multiple NCAA championships and been in the business 20 years. Brownie is a great guy and an even better hockey player, but he is not Cav and he does not possess the same personality traits that makes Cav such a successful recruiter.

    Lastly, Loguey and Cav are tight, Logue's decision is his own, but I find it hard to believe that if Cav were still on the other end of the head set, he would be calling it quits.

    But, per Hoky, a trained monkey could do their jobs, so it doesn't matter.

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  • theprofromdover
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    Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    We weren't kidding when we told him he'd be working for us one day.
    Must spread rep....

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  • J.D.
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    Re: Boston College '12-'13 Part III: Save us Hobey-John Gaudreaubey; you're our only

    If york and cav both wanted mottau, I highly doubt mottau would go to uconn. Ayers wasn't an out of nowhere choice either, he was mentioned as a candidate like the other guys.

    If bc does add another coach, have to believe it will be a well off guy around 55-60. Can't see it beeing eaves or giuliano now.

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  • dover4345
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    Originally posted by sigx15 View Post
    Awesome job finding this man, I was just trying to find a rule on this anywhere and couldn't. Do we know if Ayers is going to be paid or not?If he is going to be paid, would one of the 3 other candidates be willing to come in as a volunteer assistant.
    Only allowed two paid coaches on staff and one volunteer or grad assistant. Logue was the volunteer on staff. The reason they hired ayers, who will be getting paid, is because it hits two birds with one stone...yes, this means ayers beat out eaves, mattau, and guiliano for the job---unless one of those guys wants to work for free. I hear cav is hiring mattau over at uconn along with brown's mike souza. Did cav win the first recruiting battle?

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  • sigx15
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    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/news/story?id=6197210

    But to get a true sense of Logue's value to the program, consider BC head coach Jerry York's assessment. "He's almost like a quarterback coach," York says.

    With one important distinction. While most D-I football programs employ between 10 and 11 paid coaches -- seemingly a coach for every position -- hockey programs have a head coach and two paid assistants. And rarely is one of those positions filled by the goalie coach. The job, frankly, is a labor of love.....
    Awesome job finding this man, I was just trying to find a rule on this anywhere and couldn't. Do we know if Ayers is going to be paid or not?If he is going to be paid, would one of the 3 other candidates be willing to come in as a volunteer assistant.

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  • J.D.
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/news/story?id=6197210

    But to get a true sense of Logue's value to the program, consider BC head coach Jerry York's assessment. "He's almost like a quarterback coach," York says.

    With one important distinction. While most D-I football programs employ between 10 and 11 paid coaches -- seemingly a coach for every position -- hockey programs have a head coach and two paid assistants. And rarely is one of those positions filled by the goalie coach. The job, frankly, is a labor of love.

    "I'd love to make a couple bucks at this thing, but we're not quite there yet," says Healey, a commercial lender for TD Bank. "Right now, it's just fun giving back to the sport that gave me a lot."

    BU's Parker, when asked why there are so few paid goalie coaches, says "It is kind of odd, in some ways, in that the goalie position is so important, you'd want to have that guy [the goalie coach] totally involved in the program."

    Even many D-I goalies admit they were surprised to learn that most goalie coaches on the collegiate level are strictly volunteers. "I actually had no idea that the majority of goaltender coaches throughout the country were unpaid," Muse says. "I thought we had a unique situation here at BC. But it is a position that definitely needs a goalie coach, someone to help out."

    "Goalies haven't gotten any respect for the last 50 years," Healey says, laughing. "Way back, the goalie was the fat lazy kid who couldn't skate who was thrown between the pipes. That mentality is still around, to some degree. Things have gotten better, and a lot of teams now respect and value what a goalie coach brings to the table, but I still don't think it's the equal [to position players]."

    Healy says the coaching evolution hasn't caught up with the evolution in the position. That reality is reflected in the NCAA regulations regarding the number of permissible paid coaches, which don't recognize the singular requirements that goaltending demands. For example, D-I hockey programs are allowed the same number of paid coaches as D-I basketball programs. However, hockey teams have twice as many players, and there's no position as unique as the goaltender on a basketball team.

    So even wealthy programs that could afford to pay a fourth coach to work specifically with the goalies can't, because the NCAA prohibits them from doing so. As a result hockey programs, which rely on paid assistants to recruit, must make do with volunteer goalie coaches.

    "It's become the lot of the goalie coach," Bertagna says. "You're the specialist who comes in a limited number of times, so it's natural that you get the short straw financially."

    The NCAA further limits the role of goalie coaches who make a living teaching the position. If they were affiliated with a specific program, they couldn't visit the players they instruct, for fear of recruitment violations.

    "If you're a coach, you can't go out and watch other kids, because it counts as an evaluation. You've got to play by the NCAA rules," Dennehy says. "Brian Daccord's stable of goaltenders is increasing because he can go out and see them. That would be near to impossible if he was coaching."

    Daccord, a former Bruins goalie coach, provides goaltending instruction for goalies from 6 to 60 in numerous settings -- from clinics to camps to private lessons -- through Stop It.

    "At the end of the day, if it wasn't for the NCAA, I'd be coaching college hockey," he says. "There's two things that prohibit development coaches from coaching the goalies in college. One is the money. There is no money. Number two is that a volunteer coach is not allowed to recruit."

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  • sigx15
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    Originally posted by sigx15 View Post
    It must be 3 paid additional coaches to the HC cuz they've had Cav, Brown, and Logue on as coaches for close to 10 years as a trio of assistants and Logue is supposedly retiring, which is the reason for the Ayers hiring.

    I could be totally wrong though, and one of these guys would have to be a "volunteer" assistant which is quite possible
    After a quick search Merrimack, PC, Maine and UNH all have 3 additional coaches. 2 assistants and a goalie coach. But some other schools only list 2 assts like Umass Lowell, umass amherst and Northeastern lists a "volunteer" assistant so your guess is as good as mine at this point.

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  • J.D.
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    Right. I just didn't know if Logue was a volunteer coach...

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  • sigx15
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    Re: Boston College '12-'13 Part III: Save us Hobey-John Gaudreaubey; you're our only

    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    What I'm a little confused by is I've seen a couple people say you can only have three paid coaches (York, Brown and someone else). Wouldn't an up and coming coach like Ayers be taking a paid position? Does that now mean the people you just mentioned are out of the picture? Does it mean they'll simply be looking for an older coach who doesn't need the money? That's what I need someone to clear up because only being allowed to have three paid coaches is new to me--I've only just seen that mentioned recently.
    It must be 3 paid additional coaches to the HC cuz they've had Cav, Brown, and Logue on as coaches for close to 10 years as a trio of assistants and Logue is supposedly retiring, which is the reason for the Ayers hiring.

    I could be totally wrong though, and one of these guys would have to be a "volunteer" assistant which is quite possible
    Last edited by sigx15; 05-28-2013, 10:12 PM.

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