Top 100 Greatest Teams of the NCAA era Tournament

[JDUBBS1280]

Re: Top 100 Greatest Teams of the NCAA era Tournament

Have to give credit where credit is due. This is a pretty cool idea and has been pretty well done. Kudos to you FS23, I have been really enjoying this. Especially the game descriptions.

[Shirtless Guy]

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The 1994-1995 Michigan Roster was loaded...didn't realize that prior to doing this formula/ranking. You had Brendan Morrison, John Madden, Mike Knuble, Marty Turco, Bill Mcukalt, and Blake Sloan...plus another handful of guys that all had at least a couple dozen games in the NHL. I wouldn't be surprised if this squad put up close to 4500-5000 NHL games combined...pretty darn impressive.

And they'll be the slight underdog in the game.

Pretty impressive, 11 guys with NHL games, 7 with over 150 games...totaling just over 4300 games combined.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Pretty impressive, 11 guys with NHL games, 7 with over 150 games...totaling just over 4300 games combined.

Now you've got me wondering how other teams stack up.

Maybe this summer...

[FreshFish]

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Now you've got me wondering how other teams stack up.

Maybe this summer...

Of course, you will have to weight the teams by the number of NHL roster slots available at that time.

I don't know the exact details, but suppose there were 20 roster spots on each team in the "Original Six" era. That means there were 120 roster spots available per season, or, say, 480 possible roster slots over a four-year period (assuming that you either make it to the NHL in your first 4 years out of college or you don't make it at all).

So if one team in 1950s or early 1960s had 3 NHL players on it, that is an extraordinarily amazing score of 0.625%

Again, I don't know the exact details, but suppose now there are 24 roster spots on each of 30 teams, or 720 roster spots per season, or 3600 possible roster slots over a five-year period (five years instead of four, assuming that there is now more opportunity to play professional hockey at other levels longer, and a greater chance of being called up later).

If one modern team had 8 NHL players on it, that is still an impressive 0.22% score, but nowhere near as dominating as the first one.

Sounds right up your alley! Look forward to seeing it.



PS in order to silence tone down certain opiniated loudmouths, I also have some ideas on how one could develop a metric to measure "tradition" in a tangible, meaningful way, if you would be interested to hear about them. It might shift the dialog back toward areas of genuine curiosity and common inquiry toward a shared goal.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Of course, you will have to weight the teams by the number of NHL roster slots available at that time.

I don't know the exact details, but suppose there were 20 roster spots on each team in the "Original Six" era. That means there were 120 roster spots available per season, or, say, 480 possible roster slots over a four-year period (assuming that you either make it to the NHL in your first 4 years out of college or you don't make it at all).

So if one team in 1950s or early 1960s had 3 NHL players on it, that is an extraordinarily amazing score of 0.625%

Again, I don't know the exact details, but suppose now there are 24 roster spots on each of 30 teams, or 720 roster spots per season, or 3600 possible roster slots over a five-year period (five years instead of four, assuming that there is now more opportunity to play professional hockey at other levels longer, and a greater chance of being called up later).

If one modern team had 8 NHL players on it, that is still an impressive 0.22% score, but nowhere near as dominating as the first one.

Sounds right up your alley! Look forward to seeing it.

I don't know if I would use it for anything more than my curiosity, but keep in mind that there also weren't as many people playing hockey in the 1950s and 1960s. There is probably some middle ground there, but I don't know exactly where. If I decide to do it, I'll probably start a new thread and we can hash out some sort of compromise.

PS in order to silence tone down certain opiniated loudmouths, I also have some ideas on how one could develop a metric to measure "tradition" in a tangible, meaningful way, if you would be interested to hear about them. It might shift the dialog back toward areas of genuine curiosity and common inquiry toward a shared goal.

I would definitely be interested in hearing them. That being said, it probably isn't best for this thread, as tradition has little or nothing to do with how a single team performs against another single team. Feel free to post it in my Greatest Programs of All-Time thread, and I'd be more than interested to see. And who could you possibly be talking about?

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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#62 - 2001-2002 New Hampshire Wildcats vs. #67 - 1994-1995 Michigan Wolverines
March 1, 2013
Pepsi Center

Game Update Post

The crowd is starting to make its way into the Pepsi Center here in Denver. The Michigan band is also in form, but they keep playing the same tune over and over...maybe just practicing that one before the game starts and then we'll see them liven up the crowd. Coach Umile is keeping everyone guessing on his starting goalie...says that it is a gametime decision. Teams will start warmups here in about 10 minutes or so, and the puck drop is scheduled for 12:05pm Local Time (2:05pm Eastern). Looking forward to this one.

New Hampshire has a 50.90% chance of victory. Michigan has a 49.10% chance of victory.

Teams are out for warmups, and it appears that the New Hampshire faithful are showing tremendous sportsmanship by singing along with Michigan fans and their band to the Michigan fight song!

It also appears that Umile is going with Matt Carney in nets. Berenson has Turco starting today.

I'm now being told that the UNH fans were indeed not singing the Michigan fight song...cannot repeat what they were singing.

Pregame Introductions are underway. Indeed Carney is starting for New Hampshire today.

And here to sing today's national anthem, Hit band - The Calling!

Just a tremendous rendition! I bet their fans will follow them wherever they will go.

Puck set to drop momentarily.

1st Period:
- The game is underway! UNH going right to left wearing white, and Michigan is in their Blues.
- New Hampshire on fire to start here, as Colin Hemingway comes in from the top of the near circles, and fires one low, but Turco makes the stop. 18:30 left in the 1st.
- Turco makes another nice stop, this time on Steve Saviano, who let a slapper rip from the blue line. Puck may have taken a deflection. 17:30 left in the 1st.
- Colin Hemingway Scores!! UNH dominating Michigan early, and Hemingway cashes in after Turco left a juicy rebound following a Darren Haydar shot from the slot.
- Michigan responding well after the goal, but UNH not giving anything up. 15:00 left in the 1st
- Now we have matching minors as Jason Botterill and Mike Lubesnick get into after the whistle. We'll skate 4x4 for 2:00. 13:56 left in the 1st.
- Neither side able to generate much on the attack, and Botterill and Lubesnick are out of the box...back to 5x5
- A lot of back and forth in the neutral zone after the matching minors. Michigan starting to get their legs though. 10:00 left in the 1st.
- And Michigan will head to the powerplay for the first time today. Garrett Stafford called for interference with 8:41 left in the 1st. 1-0 UNH
- Brendan Morrison scores!! A beautiful powerplay is capped with a Morrison snipe from the near circle under the crossbar. Tie Game with 7:54 left in the 1st.
- Matt Carney with a tremendous save! Mike Knuble comes in on a 2x1 rush, dekes the defender, and fires a wrister, but Carney stays in position well enough to get his glove over to make the stop. Under 7:00 left in the 1st.
- Bill Muckalt shoots it just wide! Rob Gordon finds a streaking Muckalt in the slot, but Muckalt shoots it just wide, and we stay tied at 1.
- Oh my! Michigan on a 3x2, and Rick Willis gets called for holding behind the play to give New Hampshire a powerplay with just under 4:30 left in the 1st.
- Now New Hampshire's Joshua Prudden gets called for tripping, and we'll skate 4x4 for the next 1:13, then a short 47 second Wolverine powerplay.
- Willis out of the box, now the Wolverines have a short powerplay. Neither team willing to give much up in the neutral zone during the 4x4.
- Michigan Powerplay uneventful, and now over, as Prudden steps back onto the ice. Just over 1:30 left in the 1st. Tie game.
- Kevin Truelson shoots it just high. Right before the buzzer, Truelson winds up from the blue line and his slapper beats Turco's glove, but just goes over the crossbar.
- That's the end of the 1st Period! Score: New Hampshire 1 - 1 Michigan
- Shots on Goal in the 1st: Michigan - 10, New Hampshire - 10

2nd Period:
- Puck has dropped for the 2nd period!
- And just 18 seconds into the period, New Hampshire's Mick Mounsey hauls down Brendan Morrison, and Michigan will head to the powerplay!
- Michigan all over New Hampshire right now. John Madden nearly put the Wolverines up 2-1 with a shot from the slot, but Carney made a nice save. Just over 1:00 left on the UM powerplay.
- Mike Knuble Scores!! Knuble takes the draw, and wins it back to Morrison who fires it on net. Carney is unable to control the rebound, and Knuble slides it into the open net to give Michigan a 2-1 lead. 18:21 left in the 2nd.
- Blake Sloan nearly put the Wolverines up 3-1, but his shot from the far circle went just high. 17:00 left in the 2nd.
- New Hampshire finally getting back into here in the 2nd, as Colin Hemingway put a laser just wide of net. Just over 15:00 left in the 2nd.
- Hemingway leveled by Sloan up against the boards, and New Hampshire will head to the powerplay...this could be a 5
- The WCHA officials confer and determine it was only a 2 for checking from behind. 14:50 left in the 2nd. 2-1 Michigan
- New Hampshire generating a lot of offensive zone pressure, but so far no shots on goal in the powerplay. 1:15 left on the man advantage
- Jim Abbott scores!! Wait...they're waiving this off. Apparently a man in the crease for New Hampshire. Officials will review this one...
- After Review...no goal! Looking at the replay, Lanny Gare knocked Turco's stick just as the puck was about to hit it. A beautiful play, but will not result in a goal. 2-1 Michigan still with just under 30 seconds left on the powerplay
- Sean Collins scores!! No review needed here. New Hampshire gets the puck back in the zone, and Garrett Stafford holds the puck in, whips a pass over to the point to Collins, who rifles a slap shot past Turco, and we're tied at 2! 12:57 Left in the 2nd.
- Following that goal, we're really stuck in the neutral zone, as neither team able to generate much pressure. Under 10:00 left in the 2nd.
- New Hampshire with a little more pressure now, but unable to get a shot to the net...Michigan blocking all sorts of chances right now. 8:30 left in the 2nd.
- David Busch sends a wrister just wide. Had Turco on the blocker side, but Busch misses the gaping net. Still 2-2, but UNH with all the momentum. 6:30 left in the 2nd.
- John Madden scores!! Madden intercepts Tim Horst's pass up the middle, and skates in all alone, and goes 5 hole to put Michigan up 3-2. 5:41 left in the 2nd.
- Now Michigan has all the momentum following the Madden goal. That really changed the tide here late in the 2nd. 4:00 left in the period.
- Brendan Morrison hits the post!! Knuble had the puck below the end line, and found Morrison backdoor, but his shot hits the far post. 2:30 left in the 2nd.
- Mike Legg scores!! Legg scores a more traditional wraparound goal after Tim Hogan's shot went just wide. Legg controlled the puck, then went from the far to the near side post, and scored to put Michigan up 4-2.
- Coach Umile is changing goalies...Ayers coming in. 1:24 left in the 2nd.
- And Ayers makes a nice stop at the buzzer to prevent Brendan Morrison from giving Michigan a 5-2 lead heading into the third.
- After 2, it's Michigan leading 4-2.
- Shots on Goal in the 2nd: Michigan - 12, New Hampshire - 9

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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#62 - 2001-2002 New Hampshire Wildcats vs. #67 - 1994-1995 Michigan Wolverines
March 1, 2013
Pepsi Center

Game Update Post - Ran out of Room in previous post

3rd Period:
- Puck has dropped for the 3rd Period!!
- New Hampshire coming out flying in the first shift, and Hemingway nearly buries one from the bottom of the far circle, but Turco gets over in time to get a pad on it.
- Turco forced to make another save, this time on Saviano as the Sophomore got free from the corner, and tried to go top shelf on Turco. 18:30 left in the 1st.
- Penalty coming up on Mike Knuble for Interference as he hauls down Hemingway following a dump into the Michigan zone. 17:24 left in the 1st.
- Uh oh...New Hampshire will have a 5x3 powerplay for 1:45 as Madden gets called for Tripping.
- What a save by Turco!! Prudden gets a beautiful feed from Horst, and appears to have a wide open net, but Turco flies over just in time to get a piece of it with his stick.
- Colin Hemingway Scores!! It's now a 4-3 game, as Hemingway takes a feed from Haydar in the slot, and rips it top shelf to put UNH within 1. Wildcats still have 32 seconds of 5x4 left.
- Michigan kills off the remaining :32 left, and we're back to even strength and a 4-3 game.
- Michigan doing a good job of keeping UNH out of their zone. 13:30 left in the 3rd.
- Game can be characterized as UNH dumping the puck in, and Michigan clearing it out to the neutral zone...rinse and repeat...12:30 left in the 3rd.
- Hemingway nearly notches another one. UNH finally wins the chase to the puck in the neutral zone, and Haydar flips a seeing-eye backhand out of the corner. It lands on Hemingway's stick just outside the crease, and he fires it wide. Not sure if UNH has had a better chance than that all game 11:00 left in the 3rd.
- New Hampshire to go back on the powerplay as Lanny Gare is jolted off his skates after the whistle (offside) by Tim Hogan. 10:04 left in the 3rd.
- Haydar nearly scores! Haydar gets a beautiful feed from Hemingway, and comes in from the far circle. Turco can't control his first shot, and Haydar nearly cashes in on his own rebound, but Turco whirls around to make a diving glove save...9:00 left in the 3rd.
- Michigan kills the rest of the powerplay. We're under 8 to play in the 3rd.
- Red Berenson gets hit in the face with the puck! Hogan tries to clear it out of his zone, and launches the puck into the Wolverine Bench where Berenson gets clipped around the eye. He's bleeding a bit, and is being taken back into the Michigan locker room. 6:55 left in the 3rd.
- Collins gets hauled down by Warren Luhning, and New Hampshire will head back to the powerplay. 6:27 left in the 3rd. 4-3 Michigan
- Turco robs Saviano! New Hampshire is moving the puck around brilliantly, and Stafford finds Saviano backdoor wide open. Saviano doesn't get everything on the puck, but he gets enough, and Turco reaches out and makes the glove save...what a beauty. Just under 1:00 left on the UNH powerplay
- After a flurry in front of the net, Michigan clears the puck, and kills the UNH powerplay. We're under 4:00 left to play in the third.
- Madden with a great chance, but Ayers makes the stop. Madden coming in 1x2, but cuts to the slot, and rips a wrist shot that finds Ayers glove. 2:45 left in the 3rd.
- New Hampshire gets a little chippy as the clock is coming down, and we'll have matching minors. Horst for UNH and Schock for UM each get roughing minors with 2:00 left to play.
- Timeout UNH
- UNH gets the puck into the offensive zone, and out comes Ayers. UNH with an empty net, and the extra attacker out there!
- Teplitsky fires it just wide!! The Freshman defender bombs one from the point, but it goes just wide of the net. We're under 1:00 left in the 3rd.
- Michigan ices the puck with just :23 left in the game. Red, sporting a nice bandage over his left eye, calls timeout.
- Michigan ices the puck again...now :14 left in the game.
- Darren Haydar scores!!! Michigan wins a muddled draw, and tries to clear the puck out of the zone. Colin Hemingway jumps up and bats it down, finds Haydar just below the far circle, feeds it to him, and Haydar rips a one-timer past Turco with 2 seconds left to play! My goodness!!! It's a 4-4 Game!!
- That's the end of Regulation. The score after 60 minutes is 4-4!
- Shots on Goal in the third: New Hampshire - 16, Michigan - 4

Overtime:
- Puck has dropped in OT, and we're underway!
- Brendan Morrison with a great opportunity, but Ayers comes up big with a glove save. 19:00 left in the OT.
- Matt Herr Scores!! Wait...the official never signaled goal, but the light came on. Herr let a slap shot fly from the point that trickled through Ayers. Stafford came diving in to swat the puck off the line. Michigan is celebrating, but the officials are going to review this one to see if the puck crossed the line...
- Very difficult to tell if the entire puck crossed the line before Stafford swatted it away. Officials taking a long look here...
- NO GOAL!!! Red is furious, and wants an explanation. 17:50 left in OT, and Stafford's diving play saved the UNH Wildcats' chances in this one.
- Michigan looks quite upset, but they are completely dominating in OT. Madden had another great chance, but put it just wide...just under 17 left in OT
- Darren Haydar Scores!!! Steve Halko tries to pinch in to keep the puck in the zone, and it slips past him. Haydar picks the puck up along the near boards and skates in all by himself. Haydar doesn't even give Turco a chance, and just rifles home a wrister top shelf and UNH advances!!
- The Wildcats will take on #3 1960-1961 Denver in the Round of 64.
- Shots in OT: Each team with 2
- Shots on Goal for the Game: New Hampshire - 37, Michigan 28
- Turco made 32 saves, while Ayers made 7 in the win (Carney with 17)
- Final Score from the Pepsi Center: New Hampshire 5 - 4 Michigan (OT)

[Aerman]

Hard to believe Umile started Carney ... stupid simulator

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Hard to believe Umile started Carney ... Stupid simulator

It could have gone either way. Carney had more games played, minutes played, and a better winning percentage, while Ayers had a slightly better GAA and Save %. They each had 1 SO. At least he didn't pick Tim Collins.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Here's the updated bracket (this will continue to get updated as well throughout the tournament)...

http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/T...ment-2013.html

Next game will either be tomorrow or Sunday. Matchup? #57 - 1999-2000 North Dakota vs. #72 - 2003-2004 Boston College.

[burd]

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Good to have you back doing your good work FS23

[JimmyC67]

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Just finished researching stats for the 1960-61 DU team. I understand it was a different era, but I want to see the team that's going to beat them. Yes 1992-93 Maine and 1969-70 Cornell have better win %, but I don't know if there was EVER a more complete team.

I found an article before they played Minnesota in the semis. Coach Mariucci didn't like that most of DU was Canadians. Before playing the Pioneers, he claimed that Minnesota was "the best American hockey team" and had a banner when they arrived that read "The Americans are here". They're my pick, although a one-game elimination...anything could happen.

[4four4]

Just finished researching stats for the 1960-61 DU team. I understand it was a different era, but I want to see the team that's going to beat them. Yes 1992-93 Maine and 1969-70 Cornell have better win %, but I don't know if there was EVER a more complete team.

I found an article before they played Minnesota in the semis. Coach Mariucci didn't like that most of DU was Canadians. Before playing the Pioneers, he claimed that Minnesota was "the best American hockey team" and had a banner when they arrived that read "The Americans are here". They're my pick, although a one-game elimination...anything could happen.

Mariucci had more problems with overage MJ Canadians than anything else.

[Osorojo]

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One can only judge the excellence of a team in comparison to the excellence of its contemporaries. This conclusion is essential for those who go beyond the won-lost record of past teams to determine "greatness": in some years the combined talent and effort of all DI teams is significantly greater (or less) than the combined talent and effort of all DI teams other years. Given the number of teams and players involved I find this conclusion has a low statistical probability.

The inevitable argument "some championship teams had easier opponents during the regular season" is equally meaningless, for just as surely some championship teams had easier schedules in the playoffs.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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One can only judge the excellence of a team in comparison to the excellence of its contemporaries. This conclusion is essential for those who go beyond the won-lost record of past teams to determine "greatness": in some years the combined talent and effort of all DI teams is significantly greater (or less) than the combined talent and effort of all DI teams other years. Given the number of teams and players involved I find this conclusion has a low statistical probability.

The inevitable argument "some championship teams had easier opponents during the regular season" is equally meaningless, for just as surely some championship teams had easier schedules in the playoffs.

Then perhaps this is not a thread for you. Also, may I suggest that you up the oxygen percentage up high in your ivory tower, as it appears that you have completely overlooked the main purpose of this thread. Moreover, you have absolutely no idea what exactly is in the formula, or the simulator that determines the outcomes of these games. May I suggest that next time, you remove the long stick up your ***, take a deep breath, and think about what you are saying before posting. It may save you a lot of embarrassment.