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  • goldy_331
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    Re: Minnesota vs Minnesota State: Home and Home 11/2-11/3

    So maybe someone should threaten to take a baseball bat to some troll who comes into a thread that is not about a team they cheer for.

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  • First Time, Long Time
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    Originally posted by Bale View Post
    Sorry, I'm just going to say right now that you are full of garbage. You are definitely saying that MSU is dirty, because well, that's exactly what you said. Just look at your unprovoked posts about MSU.

    First...


    Followed by...


    Then....



    If that's not saying our players are dirty, I don't know what is. Seriously, what kind of school is that bad at teaching logic, reasoning and reading comprehension?

    Now, I'll be honest. The only people that I've heard saying these hits were dirty are SCSU fans. No offense, but I don't put a lot of weight behind that because your team was adversely affected in a very bad way (which I get, I'd be ****ed too). I give the same amount of weight to the MSU fans that said it wasn't even a major penalty because they are MSU fans and were affected adversely (albeit not nearldy as bad). The reality is that MSU isn't a dirty team anymore than any other team is....which is what you claimed as shown above.

    My point with the Gravel hit is that you are claiming because of these 2 hits (that were apparently dirty due to the nature of the hit) I can make a claim that the fact that if the "type of 'hockey'" that MSU was allegedly playing was dirty, then logically Gravel's hit (in which he got kicked out because it was deemed to be by the refs), then SCSU must be a dirty hockey team that Motzko should needs to change. You know, just like Hastings needs to do. Either that, or you can just backpedal, admit that you were lashing out because your captain got hurt, and realize that it's part of the game. But that's just a suggestion based upon logic, not irrational anger.

    /end snarky rant that's just meant to point out the inconsistency
    So you can be snarky, but I can't?
    Sorry buddy but I call it like I see it.
    My first comment was meant to get under some Mav fans skins, looks like it worked.
    My "cheap shot artist" comment was in direct response to MavHockey14 calling my statements on those hits as whining, so I responded with a snarky comment, seems you were unable to pick up on that.
    For the last time, Do I think your team is dirty? No I don't. Do I think a couple of your players made some dirty hits in games that were no longer competative and went after high profile players in doing so in a way that I feel is cheap and could be considered attempts to injure? Yes I do.
    Again, the fact that Hanowski is hurt has zero to do with me, or anyone else, calling those hits dirty.
    Case in point, LeBlanc isn't hurt, in fact didn't miss a shift after Leitner's hit, but the hit was still dirty, unnecessary and cheap.
    Gravel's hit is a 5 and a game misc by the rule, it has to be called that way if the ref is going to call a hit from behind so sorry it is in no way indicitive of the style of hockey he or SCSU plays and there is nothing about it Motzko needs to change, it's the way the rule is written, so that is a really poor example if you want to say that something SCSU did was "dirty"
    The ref had discretion in calling both your guys for 5's and was correct in doing so.
    Those two hits are not "part of the game" and "every team" does not do that when they are getting their asses kicked.
    Two of your players decided differently, and that is not indicitive of the rest of your team even if it does resemble a style your former coach seemed to favor, that is if you can't beat them, beat on them.
    Getting it yet?
    Last edited by First Time, Long Time; 10-30-2012, 08:00 PM.

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  • Bale
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    Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    Way to jump to conclusions there.
    I have not seen or heard one person say Gravel's hit was dirty.
    You want to claim sour grapes, fine, you can, but I have a feeling if it had been SCSU guys hitting your squad that way, you'd be saying the same thing I am.
    Again, I'm not saying your players are dirty, just that those two hits, on our two captains, were.
    Sorry, I'm just going to say right now that you are full of garbage. You are definitely saying that MSU is dirty, because well, that's exactly what you said. Just look at your unprovoked posts about MSU.

    First...
    Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    I'll be interested to see if the Mavs take runs at the Gophers if the games become blowouts like they did against SCSU.
    Burkamper likes to hit after the whistle, Hayes and Leitner seem to like the cheap shots.
    Hopefully Hastings can clean up that program.
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    Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    Thought Gophers fans might like to know what kind of team they'll be facing.
    But hey, if you are ok with your squad being cheap shot artists rather than trying to win games, that's your perogative I guess.
    Then....
    Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    Hard to play against is one thing, attempting to injure 2 captains because they are kicking your *** is something else.

    If that's not saying our players are dirty, I don't know what is. Seriously, what kind of school is that bad at teaching logic, reasoning and reading comprehension?

    Now, I'll be honest. The only people that I've heard saying these hits were dirty are SCSU fans. No offense, but I don't put a lot of weight behind that because your team was adversely affected in a very bad way (which I get, I'd be ****ed too). I give the same amount of weight to the MSU fans that said it wasn't even a major penalty because they are MSU fans and were affected adversely (albeit not nearldy as bad). The reality is that MSU isn't a dirty team anymore than any other team is....which is what you claimed as shown above.

    My point with the Gravel hit is that you are claiming because of these 2 hits (that were apparently dirty due to the nature of the hit) I can make a claim that the fact that if the "type of 'hockey'" that MSU was allegedly playing was dirty, then logically Gravel's hit (in which he got kicked out because it was deemed to be by the refs), then SCSU must be a dirty hockey team that Motzko should needs to change. You know, just like Hastings needs to do. Either that, or you can just backpedal, admit that you were lashing out because your captain got hurt, and realize that it's part of the game. But that's just a suggestion based upon logic, not irrational anger.

    /end snarky rant that's just meant to point out the inconsistency

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  • Slap Shot
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    I see Wes is back to sandbagging.

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  • First Time, Long Time
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    Originally posted by Bale View Post
    So, Gravel made a dirty, unnecessary hit as well AND got thrown out of the game so it was obviously worse. Does that make SCSU a dirty team?

    Seriously, this is a stupid argument. There are very few teams that are dirty. This is sour grapes and it's pointless.
    Way to jump to conclusions there.
    I have not seen or heard one person say Gravel's hit was dirty.
    You want to claim sour grapes, fine, you can, but I have a feeling if it had been SCSU guys hitting your squad that way, you'd be saying the same thing I am.
    Again, I'm not saying your players are dirty, just that those two hits, on our two captains, were.

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  • SCSU Euro
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    I believe the point FTLT was making was that they went after two captains, both with late hits, both when the game was out of or getting out of reach, and the Drew hit was with 4 minutes left in the game. Do they rationally go through the thought process "I wanna hurt this guy/injure this guy?" No, probably not, but they play with reckless abandon and aren't being careful, and its out of frustration. You get frustrated and hit a woman you're still responsible for your actions, you can't simply say, "Well I wasn't trying to hurt her." And I'm sure you guys will realize this once Mankato gets players talented enough to care about.

    Can't speak for the rest of my fanbase but I'm fine to let you and Gopher fans get after it, but to say that we're out of line after multiple hits like that in two routes is pretty "head in the sand."

    You wanna compare the Gravel hit to the other two? D'oh-kah
    Last edited by SCSU Euro; 10-30-2012, 05:03 PM.

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  • First Time, Long Time
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    Originally posted by Bale View Post
    But that's the point. Saying it was a "dirty hit" implies that there was intent to injure the guy he was hitting. It implies that Hayes and Leitner were doing something that with disregard for the rules. The fact of the matter is that very few players are trying to hurt someone. Most times (even the 5-minute variety of penalties) happen because a the checker got in bad position or the person they were hitting moved in a way that was unexpected. That's not blaming the guy that gets injured. It's not condoning what anyone did. It's just simply saying that a guy made an illegal hit. They got penalized. Unfortunately, Hanowski got hurt. That sucks, a lot, but doesn't make those guys dirty players.
    I'm not saying they are dirty players, I'm saying they were dirty hits, one does not imply the other.
    If either had a history of it, then maybe I'd be saying they are dirty players, but as far as I know they don't.
    It still does not mean the hits were not dirty or cheap hits to make, because in my mind they were and neither hit needed to happen and in both cases a stronger penalty (i.e. a DQ) may discourage them from happening.

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  • Bale
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    Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    Who has said any team should stop playing hard?
    Playing hard does not mean playing dirty.
    Leitner and Hayes both made dirty, unnecessary hits.
    So, Gravel made a dirty, unnecessary hit as well AND got thrown out of the game so it was obviously worse. Does that make SCSU a dirty team?

    Seriously, this is a stupid argument. There are very few teams that are dirty. This is sour grapes and it's pointless.

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  • Bale
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    Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    I don't see anyone saying Kato is a cupcake team but it is not unreasonable to say both those hits were dirty when they were.
    It doesn't matter if "every team does it" there is still no place for it.
    Motzko nearly came off the bench when LeBlanc was hit and he was not happy with Hayes' hit on Hanowski.
    He commented on his show yesterday that the coaches were presented a possible rule change saying that if a player takes a 5 in the last 5 minutes of a game then it's an automatic DQ.
    The coaches didn't pass it, Motzko is in favor of it.
    Would that have stopped Leitner on Saturday?
    Maybe not, but maybe it stops him the next time knowing he's going to be sitting.
    Hanowski being hurt isn't the problem, nor the reason I'm bringing it up, it's the fact that this type of "hockey" shouldn't be tolerated regardless of who does it.
    But that's the point. Saying it was a "dirty hit" implies that there was intent to injure the guy he was hitting. It implies that Hayes and Leitner were doing something that with disregard for the rules. The fact of the matter is that very few players are trying to hurt someone. Most times (even the 5-minute variety of penalties) happen because a the checker got in bad position or the person they were hitting moved in a way that was unexpected. That's not blaming the guy that gets injured. It's not condoning what anyone did. It's just simply saying that a guy made an illegal hit. They got penalized. Unfortunately, Hanowski got hurt. That sucks, a lot, but doesn't make those guys dirty players.

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  • First Time, Long Time
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    Originally posted by MavsFan View Post
    I'll buy the argument that the losing team should stop playing hard because "the game was clearly over" when the team that's ahead stops trying to score another goal.
    Who has said any team should stop playing hard?
    Playing hard does not mean playing dirty.
    Leitner and Hayes both made dirty, unnecessary hits.

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  • MavsFan
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    I'll buy the argument that the losing team should stop playing hard because "the game was clearly over" when the team that's ahead stops trying to score another goal.

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  • cross cheque
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    Hey what's going on in here?! Finger pointing, blanket statements about programs and fans, maybe some conjecture?! Sorry I'm late, lets get this thread pumping! Anyone bring up Erin Marvin or Chay yet?

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  • First Time, Long Time
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    Originally posted by Bronzebacks View Post
    Seriously though. It happens all the time on these boards. In a game where the score is lopsided and a big hit results in an injury, that is the pathetic fan's first resort. "Gooning it up" accusation. It is magnified 10x if it happens to a star player. The most irritating thing about the Hayes hit on Hanowski is that it happened well behind the play. Who knows. Maybe Ben was talking about his Mom. I know one thing for sure, I will not be starting a "We want Hayes" campaign like the green pukes did with Marvin.

    In Saturday's game MSU out shot SCSU 36-30. Luckily Faragher was on his A game and robbed most of the grade A chances MSU had. I get the impression that many are taking shots at MSU and talking down at their program. Many will be surprised at how tough this team will be this year. For those who watch a lot of hockey it is easy to see. This is not a cupcake team.
    I don't see anyone saying Kato is a cupcake team but it is not unreasonable to say both those hits were dirty when they were.
    It doesn't matter if "every team does it" there is still no place for it.
    Motzko nearly came off the bench when LeBlanc was hit and he was not happy with Hayes' hit on Hanowski.
    He commented on his show yesterday that the coaches were presented a possible rule change saying that if a player takes a 5 in the last 5 minutes of a game then it's an automatic DQ.
    The coaches didn't pass it, Motzko is in favor of it.
    Would that have stopped Leitner on Saturday?
    Maybe not, but maybe it stops him the next time knowing he's going to be sitting.
    Hanowski being hurt isn't the problem, nor the reason I'm bringing it up, it's the fact that this type of "hockey" shouldn't be tolerated regardless of who does it.

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  • Bronzebacks
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    Seriously though. It happens all the time on these boards. In a game where the score is lopsided and a big hit results in an injury, that is the pathetic fan's first resort. "Gooning it up" accusation. It is magnified 10x if it happens to a star player. The most irritating thing about the Hayes hit on Hanowski is that it happened well behind the play. Who knows. Maybe Ben was talking about his Mom. I know one thing for sure, I will not be starting a "We want Hayes" campaign like the green pukes did with Marvin.

    In Saturday's game MSU out shot SCSU 36-30. Luckily Faragher was on his A game and robbed most of the grade A chances MSU had. I get the impression that many are taking shots at MSU and talking down at their program. Many will be surprised at how tough this team will be this year. For those who watch a lot of hockey it is easy to see. This is not a cupcake team.

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  • Tiggsy
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    Originally posted by Dirty View Post
    Quite. Look how capable I am of doing multiple things at one time while you obviously did not acquire this skill at any point in your life and thus are completely unable of both sit in your mom's basement and post. I am obviously much more talented than you.
    There sure is some talent on display all over this thread. :P

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