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  • SJHovey
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    Originally posted by Carter View Post
    I have an interesting story on the illegal stick incident. The metal stick gauge had been provided by the North Dakota bench, and it did indeed show the stick was illegal. After the game, the ref apparently found out that the gauge itself had been ground down. Whether that was with the intent of fooling someone about the legality of the stick, or to make NoDak's sticks sort of super-legal, nobody knows. I'm drawing a complete blank on the ref's name, but it was an Italian name and he was a well known ref in the WCHA. At any rate, he was also on the NCAA selection committee, and this was back in the days of the smoke filled room. Although many people believed that North Dakota should be selected over Wisconsin, he was adamant that they would not get in after the attempted deception with the stick gauge. And they didn't. I got this story from my next door neighbor who was very thick with all the honchos in the UW athletic department back in the day. Might just be BS, but I certainly believed it at the time, and I guess I still do.

    Edit: Was the ref's name Martinello?
    That makes for an interesting story, but I don't think it's true, at least as you've reported it.

    There is no doubt that UND fans felt they were jobbed by the selection committee. But it wasn't at the hands of, or for the benefit of, Wisconsin. It was Duluth.

    Minnesota won the regular season title, with UND 2nd, Wisco 3rd and UMD 4th. Minnesota beat UMD in the two games, total goals series while Wisconsin beat UND as we've described today.

    Wisconsin then went on to win the playoff title over Minnesota. Thus, there was little doubt that both Minnesota and Wisconsin would get in. The real question was the 3rd team. There was even some discussion whether all 4 should get in, but that would never happen at the expense of the CCHA.

    Although I wasn't in the room, I think the general consensus has always been, and was reported, that a couple of factors weighed in UMD's favor. First they had a 4-2 edge in the season series over UND. Second, the "smoke filled room" back then used the "15 game rule." They always looked at the teams last 15 games to see how they were playing at the time the selection was made, to try to balance early season inexperience, injuries, etc...

    UND staggered into tournament time. As I recall, they maybe played .500 hockey from the middle of January on.

    As entertaining as it is to conclude there was personal spite and paybacks involved, I suspect the head to head results and UND's very average play as the season ended were the real reasons we sat home that late March and early April.

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  • Innova
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    Originally posted by GoBucky! View Post
    I also recall that players after scoring a goal would toss their sticks towards the corner of the rink. The other players on the ice would do the same so the refs wouldn't know which was the correct one.

    I seem to remember that they changed the penalty for an illegal stick to being just a 2 minute penalty and not taking the goal away, so that's why the don't bother challenging the stick any more. Any one else?
    This seems to be correct. I found to 2008-2010 rules, and it does say the goal is still allowed, but that a minor penalty will be charged. (Page HR-30, or just search for curvature).

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  • GoBucky!
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    Originally posted by UCBadger View Post
    You would always challenge the stick used to score the GWG in OT. Players using illegal sticks were very good at getting to the bench as quickly as possible after a goal, cause once you were on the bench any stick becomes your stick.
    I also recall that players after scoring a goal would toss their sticks towards the corner of the rink. The other players on the ice would do the same so the refs wouldn't know which was the correct one.

    I seem to remember that they changed the penalty for an illegal stick to being just a 2 minute penalty and not taking the goal away, so that's why the don't bother challenging the stick any more. Any one else?

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  • bucky15
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    Originally posted by MadCityRich View Post
    With respect to teams the past few years, holy **** those teams were loaded and the Kohl Center was LOUD and FULL. Those were the days, my friend.
    Rhino and Heater were the most explosive players together since I have been watching Badger hockey. The stickhanding and overall quality and skill level of some of those goals is just unreal.....when comparing to how the...18 goals over 10 games have been scored this season. I remember watching the NODAK games at a youth hockey tournament together with my teammates. Those were two fantastic endings to hard fought games.

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  • MadCityRich
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    Originally posted by bucky15 View Post
    With respect to teams the past few years, holy **** those teams were loaded and the Kohl Center was LOUD and FULL. Those were the days, my friend.

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  • Carter
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    Originally posted by gwhinwi View Post
    I still get goosebumps when I think of that 3rd period. Seriously? An illegal stick?
    I have an interesting story on the illegal stick incident. The metal stick gauge had been provided by the North Dakota bench, and it did indeed show the stick was illegal. After the game, the ref apparently found out that the gauge itself had been ground down. Whether that was with the intent of fooling someone about the legality of the stick, or to make NoDak's sticks sort of super-legal, nobody knows. I'm drawing a complete blank on the ref's name, but it was an Italian name and he was a well known ref in the WCHA. At any rate, he was also on the NCAA selection committee, and this was back in the days of the smoke filled room. Although many people believed that North Dakota should be selected over Wisconsin, he was adamant that they would not get in after the attempted deception with the stick gauge. And they didn't. I got this story from my next door neighbor who was very thick with all the honchos in the UW athletic department back in the day. Might just be BS, but I certainly believed it at the time, and I guess I still do.

    Edit: Was the ref's name Martinello?

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  • UCBadger
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    Other things that used to happen that I don't see today. Double minor penalties for 4:00.

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  • UCBadger
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    Originally posted by burd View Post
    In those old days from my memory, they would check the curve by trying to pass a dime under a straightedge. If the dime passed freely, it was an illegal curve. Anyone heard of that? All sticks were wood then, though, and the curves weren't as extensive or as common.
    I assume you mean the diamater of the dime under the straighedge. Wisconsin has a metal or cardboard cutout which was placed on the stick. If the center of the cutout did not touch the center of the blade (while the ends of the template were in contact with the ends of the blade) then the stick was illegial. You would always challenge the stick used to score the GWG in OT. Players using illegal sticks were very good at getting to the bench as quickly as possible after a goal, cause once you were on the bench any stick becomes your stick.

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  • bucky15
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  • mnstate0fhockey
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    This discussion reminded me of this.



    Funny stuff.

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    Originally posted by Chuck Schwartz View Post
    You can't bring in guys just because they have ties to the program.

    Couldn't agree more. Same goes for coaches.

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    Originally posted by UCBadger View Post
    Ok, I have wondered about the illegal stick rule. Back in those (good old) days, many a goal would be challenged to have been made with an illegal stick....one having too much curvature in the blade. If the stick was illegal, the goal was disallowed; if the stick was legal the challenging team was assessed a penalty. Has that rule been dropped? In the past 11 years of watching D-III hockey at Utica College (who, by the way, has the largest average attendance of any D-III school, and larger than half the D-I schools ) I have never seen a stick challenged
    Originally posted by burd View Post
    In those old days from my memory, they would check the curve by trying to pass a dime under a straightedge. If the dime passed freely, it was an illegal curve. Anyone heard of that? All sticks were wood then, though, and the curves weren't as extensive or as common.
    I was just talking with someone about this the other day.

    I haven't seen it called in years upon years. Used to see it in NHL games too. They even had an official measuring device.

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  • burd
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    Originally posted by UCBadger View Post
    Ok, I have wondered about the illegal stick rule. Back in those (good old) days, many a goal would be challenged to have been made with an illegal stick....one having too much curvature in the blade. If the stick was illegal, the goal was disallowed; if the stick was legal the challenging team was assessed a penalty. Has that rule been dropped? In the past 11 years of watching D-III hockey at Utica College (who, by the way, has the largest average attendance of any D-III school, and larger than half the D-I schools ) I have never seen a stick challenged
    In those old days from my memory, they would check the curve by trying to pass a dime under a straightedge. If the dime passed freely, it was an illegal curve. Anyone heard of that? All sticks were wood then, though, and the curves weren't as extensive or as common.

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  • Chuck Schwartz
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    Originally posted by TUSCHWI View Post
    This is exactly right and it bugs the crap out of me. I can live with Condon going to Minnesota but when Pavelski's brother is playing for New Hampshire, John Taft's son playing for CC....***?! amd there are others too that aren't' coming to mind at the moment, that to me is just more evidence of a deep problem with the current coaching staff.
    You can't bring in guys just because they have ties to the program. Scott Pavelski has 7 career points and he's a senior. Charlie Taft is a mediocre WCHA player.

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  • UCBadger
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    Originally posted by gwhinwi View Post
    Seriously? An illegal stick?
    Ok, I have wondered about the illegal stick rule. Back in those (good old) days, many a goal would be challenged to have been made with an illegal stick....one having too much curvature in the blade. If the stick was illegal, the goal was disallowed; if the stick was legal the challenging team was assessed a penalty. Has that rule been dropped? In the past 11 years of watching D-III hockey at Utica College (who, by the way, has the largest average attendance of any D-III school, and larger than half the D-I schools ) I have never seen a stick challenged

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