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  • e.cat
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    Ya, I actually think also gettin' out of town might help them, especially DeSmith. He may be feeling the pressure playing at home in front of hometown(Rochester) fans.

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  • e.cat
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    The first goal is more on the D, the second Diamond/Brat goal is more on DeSmith

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vos5l...Sar_7g&index=6

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  • unh1982
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    Originally posted by unh1982 View Post
    a big IF , we steal two in Prov, will move back to forth in Pwr...
    Has anyone given thought , that playing on a large sheet of ice for the whole season can develope bad habits. Watching UNH skate at home ice I dont see any spark unless there down a goal or two with a minute to play .
    Early in the season they play a different style ( every season ) . When you play on a large sheet it can become less skating and more passing ( puck moves faster than skates) You adventualy ( or inadvertently ) adapt to this style much like developing bad habits in a golf swing , they slowly creep in and before you know it your %^&$ed. I constantly see the forwards beating UNH defense to the puck on dump ins , and watching the opposing team gain control of the puck .
    In transition UNH loves to slow the play down in there own end and move from there passing back and forth Behind our net ( it doesnt lead to odd man rushes) , I like puck control as a philosphy but it does have its limitations ... at the whitt it can breed lazyness and develope into nasty habits. These are observations I could be way off ..

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  • e.cat
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    Originally posted by zoofer View Post
    I agree e.cat, Saturday is on DeSmith....Maine had to have Friday and they took it...UNH needed Saturday, had a 3-1 lead and wimped out....I'll save DeSmith on the 2nd Diamond goal. All a defenseman had to do was close on the brat and hit him instead of giving him time and room to go across the zone!
    So now we play on the small ice surface, same as Manchester, and win a few.....no biggie!

    Yup, agree with you on the Diamond/Brat goal.

    I thought I was the only one on here that it's no biggie going down to Providence and win a few Zoofer, but I have good company

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  • JB
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    Originally posted by zoofer View Post
    I agree e.cat, Saturday is on DeSmith....Maine had to have Friday and they took it...UNH needed Saturday, had a 3-1 lead and wimped out....I'll save DeSmith on the 2nd Diamond goal. All a defenseman had to do was close on the brat and hit him instead of giving him time and room to go across the zone!
    So now we play on the small ice surface, same as Manchester, and win a few.....no biggie!
    Wasn't that the Diamond 1st goal? Or am I getting my 8 goals given up to Maine on the weekend confused now. As for that goal in the UNH d system it is clear the D fall back and Diamond cutting across the zone should have been the trailing center’s (or forward) responsibility, it was a 3 on 3 as the trailer had made it in zone. Whatever night that goal was it was in the 2nd period as it was shooting at my end of the ice (UNH Ox2 zone)...

    UNH has had a fair amount of systemic stupidity or stubbornness over the years. In the 2008? Championship game against BC when UNH was up 3 or 4, well BC switched their D coverage. BC played less of a hard forecheck more of a trap and took the outlet up the boards away. UNH was too stubborn or stupid to adjust the rest of the game. There have been many other cases.

    Somehow UNH needs to learn to use the regular season to find ways to practice situations in game for use later in the year. This year PC, MC, VT, and Maine all played similar styles against UNH and effectively. I would have no problem throwing away a game or a few to develop an in game system to play against that style team. Heck loose in the quarters to figure it out, just figure it out.

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  • unh1982
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    Originally posted by zoofer View Post
    I agree e.cat, Saturday is on DeSmith....Maine had to have Friday and they took it...UNH needed Saturday, had a 3-1 lead and wimped out....I'll save DeSmith on the 2nd Diamond goal. All a defenseman had to do was close on the brat and hit him instead of giving him time and room to go across the zone!
    So now we play on the small ice surface, same as Manchester, and win a few.....no biggie!
    a big IF , we steal two in Prov, will move back to forth in Pwr...

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  • zoofer
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    I agree e.cat, Saturday is on DeSmith....Maine had to have Friday and they took it...UNH needed Saturday, had a 3-1 lead and wimped out....I'll save DeSmith on the 2nd Diamond goal. All a defenseman had to do was close on the brat and hit him instead of giving him time and room to go across the zone!
    So now we play on the small ice surface, same as Manchester, and win a few.....no biggie!

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  • e.cat
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    Originally posted by JB View Post
    I don't think it is not getting up for games or even an effort problem. I think it comes down to 3 things 1) system, 2) poor situational awareness and 3) as a subset of #2 dumb plays. I separate 2 and 3 as I see them differently but they are both based on same problem dumb plays.

    1) SYSTEM - UNH clearly doesn't practice or play a system of hockey that can win tight games. It is almost as if "dirty" goals don't count. I think that is why they seem to have a harder time scoring goals in a scrum in front of the net. It just feels like UNH is worse than any other teams at getting there sticks on pucks and getting them in the net. Additionally some teams (BU always seems able) to lift the puck in close to get it under the cross bar and hard for the goalie especially with the butterfly to just take away.

    The second system issue is in panic throwing the puck around the boards in the D-zone. The puck moves so fast the other D-man or winger can't get to it before the teams D-man. See everybody knows this and are ready for it. UNH looked earlier in the year to be coming up the "center" of the ice in the D zone on a fairly regular basis to not be so predictable and yet at the end of the year they have reverted to up the boards which pins them in zone.

    2) SITUATIONAL AWARENESS - UNH never seems to understand who is on the ice. You take chances against the other teams forth you wouldn't against there first. An example from the Maine game is on Diamonds 2nd goal, when UNH got out of position on the boards by the Maine bench. In this case UNH is leading and there is no need to be overly aggressive, just play smart.

    Or fundamentally understanding you cannot lose a clean defensive zone draw, and in that case a tie up is not a problem. Maine scored goals off clean faceoff wins when the shot back through the mass of players can get by a screened goalie or tipped.

    3) JUST DUMB PLAYS - My current whipping boy is Hardowa. He has had a series of really dumb plays spanning back 2 months. Some have bit UNH some have been narrowly avoided. Most are errors at the blueline and as of late they are getting worse. Hardowa has over played the offensive blue line leading to break aways and goals by Maine and Vermont in just the last 3 weeks. Sometimes it is better to play safe than to over play particularly in a tight or playoff type game. Also against Maine a dumb play at the offensive blue line lead to a 3 on 1 that somehow didn't score. Hardowa had the puck and was breaking up the Maine bench side; UNH line changed in process and had a 4 on 4 heading in at the blueline. Hardowa decided to pass toward the center ice just after crossing the blueline the pass was parallel to the blue line. Maine tips it to center ice and is breaking the other way. Dumb situational hockey, if you can see 3 other white shirts with you that means one back, that puck has to keep moving deeper into the zone even if a dump in.

    Sometimes aggressive blue line play is needed, when behind or on the power play, or when a forward is very high in the offensive zone to cover. But when leading by 2 goals in a playoff game, fall back and play smart.

    The players have to execute all 3 but the coaches have to get these issues into the player’s heads. As a team you have to get smarter all year not dumber. UNH has a history of these 3 issues and the coaching is what is consistent. That is what this staff needs to figure out how to fix. Early in the year UNH was doing all the little things right = smart hockey, but the longer the season goes the dumber they get.
    Good analysis JB. The only thing I would add is that DeSmith needs to step up and make some saves in key situations. Truth be told that tie Saturday is on him IMHO There have been some glaring softies IMO

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  • JB
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    I don't think it is not getting up for games or even an effort problem. I think it comes down to 3 things 1) system, 2) poor situational awareness and 3) as a subset of #2 dumb plays. I separate 2 and 3 as I see them differently but they are both based on same problem dumb plays.

    1) SYSTEM - UNH clearly doesn't practice or play a system of hockey that can win tight games. It is almost as if "dirty" goals don't count. I think that is why they seem to have a harder time scoring goals in a scrum in front of the net. It just feels like UNH is worse than any other teams at getting there sticks on pucks and getting them in the net. Additionally some teams (BU always seems able) to lift the puck in close to get it under the cross bar and hard for the goalie especially with the butterfly to just take away.

    The second system issue is in panic throwing the puck around the boards in the D-zone. The puck moves so fast the other D-man or winger can't get to it before the teams D-man. See everybody knows this and are ready for it. UNH looked earlier in the year to be coming up the "center" of the ice in the D zone on a fairly regular basis to not be so predictable and yet at the end of the year they have reverted to up the boards which pins them in zone.

    2) SITUATIONAL AWARENESS - UNH never seems to understand who is on the ice. You take chances against the other teams forth you wouldn't against there first. An example from the Maine game is on Diamonds 2nd goal, when UNH got out of position on the boards by the Maine bench. In this case UNH is leading and there is no need to be overly aggressive, just play smart.

    Or fundamentally understanding you cannot lose a clean defensive zone draw, and in that case a tie up is not a problem. Maine scored goals off clean faceoff wins when the shot back through the mass of players can get by a screened goalie or tipped.

    3) JUST DUMB PLAYS - My current whipping boy is Hardowa. He has had a series of really dumb plays spanning back 2 months. Some have bit UNH some have been narrowly avoided. Most are errors at the blueline and as of late they are getting worse. Hardowa has over played the offensive blue line leading to break aways and goals by Maine and Vermont in just the last 3 weeks. Sometimes it is better to play safe than to over play particularly in a tight or playoff type game. Also against Maine a dumb play at the offensive blue line lead to a 3 on 1 that somehow didn't score. Hardowa had the puck and was breaking up the Maine bench side; UNH line changed in process and had a 4 on 4 heading in at the blueline. Hardowa decided to pass toward the center ice just after crossing the blueline the pass was parallel to the blue line. Maine tips it to center ice and is breaking the other way. Dumb situational hockey, if you can see 3 other white shirts with you that means one back, that puck has to keep moving deeper into the zone even if a dump in.

    Sometimes aggressive blue line play is needed, when behind or on the power play, or when a forward is very high in the offensive zone to cover. But when leading by 2 goals in a playoff game, fall back and play smart.

    The players have to execute all 3 but the coaches have to get these issues into the player’s heads. As a team you have to get smarter all year not dumber. UNH has a history of these 3 issues and the coaching is what is consistent. That is what this staff needs to figure out how to fix. Early in the year UNH was doing all the little things right = smart hockey, but the longer the season goes the dumber they get.

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  • Felger
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    Originally posted by zoofer View Post
    As we sat in the locker room after that loss, as BU files past our door to their locker room, one of their player's yelled, " yea, *#~%* you, Year of the Cat!", which was the #1 song of that year from Al Stewart.....the things we remember.
    That's pretty funny, I was sitting in the 2nd balcony that night with my "YEAR OF THE CAT" banner

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  • e.cat
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    Originally posted by zoofer View Post
    Btw, nice shout out e.cat!
    Thanks. Only true hockey fans would appreciate that.

    I appreciate your historical perspective. I graduated in '73.

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  • zoofer
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    As we sat in the locker room after that loss, as BU files past our door to their locker room, one of their player's yelled, " yea, *#~%* you, Year of the Cat!", which was the #1 song of that year from Al Stewart.....the things we remember.

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  • snively
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    Sorry my bad -- it was of course the ECACs. I think I was hoarse for a week. 1979's was their first league title of any sort.

    And to give you some idea of how good the BU team was that they lost that '77 final to (close game, remember), they were NCAA champs a year later, with a record of 30-2
    Last edited by snively; 03-10-2013, 09:10 PM.

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  • BobF
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    Originally posted by snively View Post
    Your broader point I agree with roofer, and I too would Holt's 1970s big games to support it (single game elimination first round playoffs back then).
    Finally, in 1979 they won the Hockey East championship, beating Dartmouth 3-2 -- again with a late goal (number #17, Bobby Gould, scored the game winner at 17:17 of the third period). They obviously didn't mail in the effort there.
    Methinks you want to edit the championship they won as Hockey East did not exist at this time.

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  • snively
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    "but even back from 74, how does a Coach motivate an athlete that doesn't know how to "get up" for a big game. Everyone always said that Coach Holt was always being out coached by Cleary or Johnson because he couldn't get his players motivated... ""

    I agree with you roofer that that assertion was BS -- in fact even more so with Charlie Holt's big games in those 1970s.

    In 1974 -- single game first round elimination format then -- Cap Raeder, though injured, insisted on starting (so motivated, no?) before having to be pulled in large part because of that injury. Fighting back from a huge hole, Cliff Cox, Jamie Hislop and Gordie Clark scored three goals during a single two minute 4 on 4 -- so no sluffing off there. They lost in OT when RPI scored on Dan Magnarelli -- a freshman with virtually zero playing time that season.

    In 1977, they first beat Brown with a Dave Lumley goal in OT, then came back to tie Cornell in the semis with a late goal. They then went on to win 10-9 (!) in double overtime. Next night they lost a close game to BU in the finals in an era when the Terriers were as good as any team in the country. Three huge efforts.

    Finally, in 1979 they won the final, beating Dartmouth 3-2 -- again with a late goal. Number 17, Bobby Gould, scored the game winner at 17:17 of the third period They obviously didn't mail in the effort there.

    So those are three monster big games in which the 'Cats were anything but unmotivated. It really is a player by player, squad by squad thing, Herb Brooks notwithstanding. You see this all the time in other sports as well.
    Last edited by snively; 03-10-2013, 08:56 PM.

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