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  • JB
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Actually, the games I've watched the bouncing puck has mostly been due to slow unskilled players who have trouble handling the puck at top speed.
    My comment wasn't about the bouncing puck... just that the ice is crap.

    However I agree that the bouncing puck is likely a skill problem in conjunction with the ice.

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  • walrus
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    Originally posted by catsfan View Post

    It has been embarrassing at some of the womens' games; several times they had to stop play and the players had to skate around to disperse the fog.
    I thought HE made all members but in dehumidification equipment to stop the fog?

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  • freak
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    Originally posted by NUCC93 View Post
    Wasn't there talk like 8-10 years ago of UNH downsizing the rink to 200x85?
    Yes. Bringing in the corners was later. As I recall, there was talk of bringing in one side of the rink to 90x200 or 95x200, as sort of a compromise between NHL/Olympic, and adding 1-2 rows of floor seats. The reason for only pulling in one side instead of doing it symmetrically, iirc, had something to do with the cooling pipes in the current slab.

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  • catsfan
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    Originally posted by JB View Post
    The ice is routinely crap in Durham these days unless it is below 20 outside but that isn't the issue either.
    JB and Snively65 have both commented on the ice. The past couple of years we have noticed how bad it is; the puck seems to be jumping and the ice looks like crud by the end of the period. I don't remember it ever being this bad; is there something wrong with the equipment? Global warming?

    It has been embarrassing at some of the womens' games; several times they had to stop play and the players had to skate around to disperse the fog.

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  • Aerman
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    Originally posted by sonar View Post
    .... but didn't the UNH swoon this season begin with Burke leaving the line up .... he did post up in front of the net.
    My observation was that the swoon started when they reached #1 in the polls. Perhaps they need to be removed from access to media...

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  • sonar
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    Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
    If we had more big players who could post up in front of the net and pick up garbage goals, I might feel differently. But, we have not had such players in a long time, although Paul Thompson was pretty good at picking up some goals by hanging out around the net.
    May not be related in any way .... but didn't the UNH swoon this season begin with Burke leaving the line up .... he did post up in front of the net.

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  • unh1982
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    Originally posted by sonar View Post
    Ok .... Ok ....it is only the 2nd or 3rd "singular" reason for UNH difficulties during late and post season play :-)
    Not all UNH teams develope bad habits but I think its one that can manifest itself if your not intuned . You would think the coaches would have there hand on the radar but it might not be evident . Im just implying that it can be an issue that can creep up . If i had all the answers I certainly wouldnt be typing . there are only a few issues that can crop up when playing on a large sheet , I hope its evident to them .

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  • sonar
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    Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Obviously the worst thing for the program is the Olympic sized rink (except for when we were a post away from a national championship and played in 3 out of 6 Final Fours). And stop the recruits from playing on Olympic sized rinks in the USHL where they are unable to score.

    pardon the snark, but if there was a systemic problem since 1995, wouldn't it manifest itself at all times, rather than just when the talent level goes down?
    Ok .... Ok ....it is only the 2nd or 3rd "singular" reason for UNH difficulties during late and post season play :-)

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  • Snively65
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    Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Actually, the games I've watched the bouncing puck has mostly been due to slow unskilled players who have trouble handling the puck at top speed. I am a big proponent of using skills to score goals and hate the crash the net mentality. But with this talent level, I thought UNH was a bunch of kids who think they can move the puck quickly and score pretty goals, when they can't. Particularly on the powerplay, get the puck back to the point and bang it into the crowd up front, stop trying to do a pretty back door play.
    Yes, I agree 100%. I usually stand the entire game top row band's left and argue incessantly with my friend who wants the Cats "to cycle the puck" on the PP, which usually only gets them low angle shots that goalies easily deflect to the opposite corner, if we do not get picked off for odd-man rushes and SHG attempts. I agree that the Whitt has terrible ice, but more important, college players are not skilled enough to make the cutesy passes to create offense; those behind-the-back passes drive me nuts.

    Same cutesy stuff was happening on every PP this past Saturday night, until I screamed "shoot it" with Knodel at the point, and he responded (I want an assist on that one, :-) ). At least there is some chance of the puck getting through a screen, or the goalie leaving a rebound out front, with shots from the point.

    If we had more big players who could post up in front of the net and pick up garbage goals, I might feel differently. But, we have not had such players in a long time, although Paul Thompson was pretty good at picking up some goals by hanging out around the net.

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  • unh1982
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    Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Actually, the games I've watched the bouncing puck has mostly been due to slow unskilled players who have trouble handling the puck at top speed. I am a big proponent of using skills to score goals and hate the crash the net mentality. But with this talent level, I thought UNH was a bunch of kids who think they can move the puck quickly and score pretty goals, when they can't. Particularly on the powerplay, get the puck back to the point and bang it into the crowd up front, stop trying to do a pretty back door play.
    Watcher , after watching there demise , I see it a little different . On a larger sheet of ice I think some of your failures can be covered up . What I mean , time and space . Said this before here is a typical play that developes at the whitt. Opponent skates in over red line , (defense gives away blue line too ) player A dumps puck into the UNH zone . Player A usualy beats UNH defender to the puck along the boards. If puck stays in UNH zone for a duration , UNH has to go 120 feet to score and burn up energy already consumed . When Unh does gain control of the puck they play around with it to much looking for that perfect breakout ( large sheet allows this by having both time and space) this allows the opponent to not only back check but to set up a neutral trap . How often do you see UNH with odd man rushes , its a thing of the past . When they play in smaller venues I do see them play a different style but guess what there forced into it because conditions dictate (ie smaller ice service) they do push the puck up quicker , they do beat there man to the puck in there end . So playing on a larger sheet can and does create bad habits and can be very suttle and mistakes easily hidden . If you practice daily on a large sheet guess what can happen bad habits .... Im convinced this is a reason why UNH sometimes ( well seems like always ) fails or sputters near the end of the season . I think there guilty of not relying on speed and skating instead passing the puck ( yes puck moves faster than skates ), It is a double edge sword . You want to both move your feet and pass as opposed to being stationary and passing ( these are slight pit falls you can fall victim to when playing daily on a large sheet) .
    I could be competely wrong and just whistling dixie but this is my observation.

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  • NCAA watcher
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by JB View Post
    Maine won this last weekend because they were patient, smart, and when opportunity presented itself they hit the back of the net. UNH lost because they were impatient, dumb and did a good job of hitting the goalie in the chest.

    The ice is routinely crap in Durham these days unless it is below 20 outside but that isn't the issue either.
    Actually, the games I've watched the bouncing puck has mostly been due to slow unskilled players who have trouble handling the puck at top speed. I am a big proponent of using skills to score goals and hate the crash the net mentality. But with this talent level, I thought UNH was a bunch of kids who think they can move the puck quickly and score pretty goals, when they can't. Particularly on the powerplay, get the puck back to the point and bang it into the crowd up front, stop trying to do a pretty back door play.
    Last edited by NCAA watcher; 03-12-2013, 11:43 AM.

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  • JB
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    So is creativity with the puck and ability to see scoring areas. The 1995-2004 teams had the benefit of Krog (2nd in BCHL scoring), Mowers (led USHL in goals), Bogi (led US U18 team in scoring), Haydar (set OJHL goal scoring record), Colin H (9th in BCHL scoring) and Brett H (7th in BCHL scoring).

    Today's team has no player who finished in the top 40 in USHL scoring, or the top 10 in BCHL scoring, and only one made the US Select team (Henrion). [Think about that and let it sink in]. Frankly, Umile has done a great job motivating this pile of talent to have the intensity to resemble a top 20 team.

    Somehow I think making the rink smaller isn't the issue.
    It is not the rink. It is talent AND the fact that UNH seems to get dumber the longer the season goes on. Look back and you see a history of stupid plays at bad times. Most of those dumb plays were missing in this last fall and they are showing up now. I commented several times that I liked they were doing the little things right. Well now they panic and (or don’t and still) do the little things wrong, and at the wrong times.

    Maine won this last weekend because they were patient, smart, and when opportunity presented itself they hit the back of the net. UNH lost because they were impatient, dumb and did a good job of hitting the goalie in the chest.

    Rink size had nothing to do with it. The ice is routinely crap in Durham these days unless it is below 20 outside but that isn't the issue either.

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  • NCAA watcher
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    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    I think some folks make too much of it, honestly. Being aggressive, intense and focused are all behaviors
    So is creativity with the puck and ability to see scoring areas. The 1995-2004 teams had the benefit of Krog (2nd in BCHL scoring), Mowers (led USHL in goals), Bogi (led US U18 team in scoring), Haydar (set OJHL goal scoring record), Colin H (9th in BCHL scoring) and Brett H (7th in BCHL scoring).

    Today's team has no player who finished in the top 40 in USHL scoring, or the top 10 in BCHL scoring, and only one made the US Select team (Henrion). [Think about that and let it sink in]. Frankly, Umile has done a great job motivating this pile of talent to have the intensity to resemble a top 20 team.

    Somehow I think making the rink smaller isn't the issue.

    [I am not counting the impressive achievement that EACH time UNH has actually gotten commitments from that type of talent, they have not come. The USHL's top 15 scorer (Vecchione), The BCHL's top d and top 10 scorer (Laleggia), the USHL's Top Forward (Matt White) and the Select 17 and 18 top scorer (Bourque) and BCHL #11 scorer (Cam Reid)]
    Last edited by NCAA watcher; 03-12-2013, 11:25 AM.

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  • Nick Papagiorgio
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    Honest question: What is the record of the team in the HE semis/finals + NCAA games (assuming UNH has only played in a regulation size rink in the NCAAs) since moving to the Whitt from Snively?

    Sure there are a few FFs and a few HE titles in there but they were bound to win a few games here and there as a result, right?

    It's an interesting discussion.

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  • Chuck Murray
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by bakchk20 View Post
    Chuck - 4 years in what, 19? Okay, it works sometimes, so let's say its one of several things, not the only thing. I will contend, from actually playing on both, that the intensity changes, and probably the focus, like it or not. How many games have you been to at the Whit where there is a virtual lull in play as guys just skate (coast) around avoiding contact and making 60' passes. I've had season tix since day 1 (and before) and have snoozed thru many such an occasion.

    If Umile had a choice, you think he would keep the big sheet? Doubt it. And why is that?

    And if you call the NCAA today and tell them you are building a new rink and ask "what size would they recommend"? Bet it's not Oly, as it was when the aforenoted schools build rinks in the 90's. Why would that be?

    Just sayin'; intensity and consistency -- there's a direct relationship.
    I think some folks make too much of it, honestly. Being aggressive, intense and focused are all behaviors, and I've always enjoyed whatever success I've had in athletics or just in real life by addressing the behavior directly - not tinkering with conditions. Blaming basic player behavior and mindset on static conditions like the size of the surface is just a little too wishy-washy for my liking. We can agree to disagree, but when I read about how it's the surface size, I just

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