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  • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
    WildcatDC, I left out the 'not' in my post, which I just fixed. But, my post was tongue in cheek, and I agree with everything in your post and others. I am out of the country at the moment, so missed the past two weekends of hockey. I think that the Cats did well to earn the split with the Eagles, who also did not show up for a game this weekend. And, sounds like Gillies played a great game in net for a couple of periods, with his old man in the stands?

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    • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

      Originally posted by GoUNH View Post
      Knodel hits. Pay attention.
      So on Knodel and hitting:

      See I do pay attention at games, always have. So on Saturday I took a little notebook with me and tracked checks by UNH’s 6 D-men regardless of zone. See if what I felt in general was supported by facts.

      What I found...

      21 hits by any D-man 1 by Knodel and it was a fairly soft shoulder to shoulder against the boards. So that means the other 5 d-men accounted for 20 checks or 4 per on average. See Knodel doesn’t hit, now 0 checks would be foolish as hockey is a contact sport after all. So if you were expecting 0 hits you were being far too literal.

      Now I counted anything that looked like a check open ice or against the boards that was initiated by the d-man. If the Providence player initiated the contact i.e. the UNH D-man was the hitti not the hitter it didn't count. Also 2 players bumping in open ice isn't a check… rubbing is racing after all…

      Knodel's stats were 1 check, 2 bumps/rubs (he stole the puck both times) and 1 funny hit initiated by a Providence player that ended up on his butt. I think the Providence guy was #14 Mauermann, I didn't write down but that is what my memory says, so it was 5'9" 170 vs. 6'6" 225. Mauermann didn't even stay low and basically bounced of Knodel but Mauermann clearly (foolishly) initiated the contact.

      Now I have never said Knodel’s play was bad. It is a style thing, and nothing wrong with the style either. Knodel stays more in the center of the ice (particularly at the Whitt) in his position which makes up for his lack of speed, it is smart play. Additionally if UNH was chasing in zone Agosta would chase on the boards with the center and Knodel would watch the front of the net. Agosta had a bunch of the 20 checks I didn’t count but would estimate 6ish. Additionally Providence scored a fair number of the 6 goals down low, but not one with Knodel on the ice.

      So I stand by my assertion that Knodel doesn’t hit/check (again not 0 that is just dumb). Now I saw him level a guy with a really solid clean check earlier this year, but that guy poked the bear, provoking the situation. I remember it because I thought it was funny and fits my original comments.
      Last edited by JB; 01-22-2013, 12:16 PM.
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      • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

        Originally posted by Goldie
        You're pretty obsessed with the kid. You're saying that none of the six goals were scored against him? Stats say he was +2 w/ couple assists? What- did he steal your lunch $ or something?
        Nope I think he is a pretty good d-man. Good stick, really hard shot, seems to prefer a heavy wrister over the slapper (which is good), very good positional, tall so long stick, slows the game down when puck is on his stick, smart use of space, skating is slow. But his style is that of a “gentle giant” some of it is due to playing in good position in space and not getting caught out on the wall, particularly at Lake Whitt. Has he had a bad game or two? Yup, what college player doesn’t?

        I had two other posters tell me I didn't know what I was talking about and to "watch the tape" reference Knodel not hitting. I don't have "tape" on the games so I took some notes on the next game. Just providing the data that my initial impression of play I had watched (primarily at the Whitt) is correct regarding Knodel.
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        • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

          Originally posted by JB View Post
          ...not one with Knodel on the ice.
          The box score confirms.

          In other minutiae, Pesce and TVR's first shift came after the 5 minute mark of the 1st and just before the 5 minute mark of the 2nd periods. The other defense pairings played multiple shifts. Odd.
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          • Originally posted by JB View Post
            Nope I think he is a pretty good d-man. Good stick, really hard shot, seems to prefer a heavy wrister over the slapper (which is good), very good positional, tall so long stick, slows the game down when puck is on his stick, smart use of space, skating is slow. But his style is that of a “gentle giant” some of it is due to playing in good position in space and not getting caught out on the wall, particularly at Lake Whitt. Has he had a bad game or two? Yup, what college player doesn’t?
            I had two other posters tell me I didn't know what I was talking about and to "watch the tape" reference Knodel not hitting. I don't have "tape" on the games so I took some notes on the next game. Just providing the data that my initial impression of play I had watched (primarily at the Whitt) is correct regarding Knodel.
            Knodel is +8, tied with TVR for best UNH D-men, and TVR has 7 more points, 15 to 8.

            Goumas leads team with +16, with Downing and Thrush next, tied at +11; these three need to be on one of the top two lines every game, IMHO.

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            • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

              Why is the UNH record not as good in 2013 as it was in 2012? Not so difficult that a head coach couldn't figure it out. Certainly - associate head coach Tortorella has figured it out as he has made a huge difference in the UNH "mentality.

              It would appear that UNH has moved away from blocking shots .... and this probably reflects an increased emphasis on the part of the players on a "me first" mentality. In 2012 it was.... "Ill take one for the team" .... in 2013 it seems to be "how can I look good" ....

              UNH does not go deep into the 2013 NCAA playoffs unless the old adage that says something about the name on the front of the jersey .... well you know.

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              • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

                Deep breath, shake it off and look forward.

                Back in July the thought of biting nails over whether the Cats would hold a #1 seed was nearly laughable.

                Let it ride, enjoy, and yell loud!

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                • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

                  Originally posted by Goldie
                  If you look at some of the comments DeSmith made early in the year when he was player of the week constantly the true story was being told. He frequently mentioned that his success was a result of the quality of the work being done in front of him. The forwards were back-checking in all 3 zones creating turnovers and the unh turnovers were at a minimum. The d could play safe in all situations because they had support and thus weren't giving up uneven rushes against. Many of those things have been missing in recent weeks and the goaltending hasn't been able to compensate for those changes. They need to find that commitment of play that they exhibited early on.
                  Originally posted by Verkligen View Post
                  Deep breath, shake it off and look forward.

                  Back in July the thought of biting nails over whether the Cats would hold a #1 seed was nearly laughable.

                  Let it ride, enjoy, and yell loud!
                  Sure, the 'Cats are doing much better than anticipated, or were. 3 and 4 in the last 7 may be closer to expectations for the season, but didn't they show in Oct/Nov that they can be better than that? Isn't part of looking forward, from the team's perspective, to ask "how can we be better?" Goldie's point, which I think is valid, is simply to evaluate what has changed between the Oct/Nov team and the Dec/Jan team.

                  I will yell loud, and mostly enjoy, but I'll also be frustrated with the self-inflicted wounds like the Providence debacle.
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                  • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

                    Maybe billb can chime in with some insightful analysis

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                    • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

                      Originally posted by Aerman View Post
                      I will yell loud, and mostly enjoy, but I'll also be frustrated with the self-inflicted wounds like the Providence debacle.
                      Don't get me wrong... I was plenty frustrated Saturday night (and Sunday and most of Monday too).

                      The slob-Providence-loud-mouth-fan sitting a couple rows behind me who was the recepient of my "Your life would be more meaningful and interesting if you were a recurring character on The Family Guy" comment would attest to my frustration.
                      Last edited by Verkligen; 01-25-2013, 09:58 AM.

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                      • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

                        Shameless plug, but detailing DeSmith's recent poor play. It is all relative, but with the exception of game against BC, his numbers have been well down since trip to Colorado.

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                        • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

                          Originally posted by CollegeHockeyRinkReport View Post
                          Shameless plug, but detailing DeSmith's recent poor play. It is all relative, but with the exception of game against BC, his numbers have been well down since trip to Colorado.

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                          Guess Coach Umile reads your stuff, looks like Wyer gets the start tonight.
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                          • Originally posted by Felger View Post
                            Guess Coach Umile reads your stuff, looks like Wyer gets the start tonight.
                            And he gives up a goal 7 seconds into 3rd period. Great to see he was paying attention. UNH is going to struggle to maintain home ice for HE playoffs.

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                              Originally posted by scoreboard View Post
                              UNH is going to struggle to maintain home ice for HE playoffs.
                              Sure are the swoon is on.

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                              • Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

                                Originally posted by scoreboard View Post
                                And he gives up a goal 7 seconds into 3rd period. Great to see he was paying attention. UNH is going to struggle to maintain home ice for HE playoffs.
                                Not too worried, yet. BC lost to Maine 4-1 at Conte on Friday night. Good for Wyer to get a start in net. I did not see anything but the box score, so cannot comment on Wyer's performance or the Cats overall in the game.

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