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  • Nick Papagiorgio
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    Originally posted by unhpuckfan2001 View Post
    They know they control their own destiny if they JUST WIN.
    No one controls their own destiny. That's what makes it destiny; that it is a predetermined course of events.

    In any case, I think this is a team of destiny and they will be hoisting the big one in Pittsburgh!!!

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  • zoofer
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    Old men talk my ***!! We just want to make sure that you young'uns have an appreciation for what has come before! I know that you're avid Wildcat fans but our past is what we are today....if not for the players that helped make UNH the family that we are, we'd been an average program...York and Parker are decent fellows but as mentors go, they arent't close to Charlie Holt and Umile, IMHO of course. Very biased here I admit!
    btw CHC, Cap wasn't able to play that game, ur right. But the next 2 years losses hurt pretty bad as well, at Cornell and to Harvard, with Bill Cleary standing on the bench yelling....not until I put that arrow in the ceiling did we break the curse and beat Brown to head to the Garden!!

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  • Snively65
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    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    How I then decided to go to Bentley a few months later instead of UNH, BU or even BC (no - I never wasted my time or energy applying to Dartmouth for the inevitable rejection letter) after all that excitement is anybody's guess. Good times, though.
    Sorry in advance for the "old guy" talk, but I had no idea that you went to Bentley, Chuck (post 786 above). I teach at Bentley, so have been hoping that UNH would invite the Falcons to Lake Whitt for a game, but prospects of that happening are probably as remote as Bentley winning the AHA autobid and playing UNH at Manchvegas as a #4 vs #1 seed this year. As a Durham townie, I did not waste my time, energy, or money applying for Dartmouth either, but UNH worked out fine for me. I am hoping that the "other Snively" who began posting here before I did and went through the Oyster River school system a few years after me begins to chime into this thread, now that the post-season is closing in. Yeah, I know, he is also good at the "old guy" talk.

    But, back to this weekend, good puck luck to the Wildcats, who are not entirely in control of their own destiny, as we need PC to take at least a point from UML, as noted by unhpuckfan2001.

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  • unhpuckfan2001
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    Although I have enjoyed reading all the old men looking back . . . let's also look ahead ;-)

    UML beat M'Mack yesterday, slipping in front of our Wildcats by a point. The math is simple if you're interested in the RS Trophy.

    UNH: win both games.
    UML: tie one game, win the other.
    Teams finish tied, UNH wins tiebreaker.

    There are lots of other things at play that determine where UNH finished, but I honestly like their chances against Maine on the Whit surface. They know they control their own destiny if they JUST WIN.

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  • Chuck Murray
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    Originally posted by zoofer View Post
    In regards to "biggest choke", use the way back machine guys...Chuck, Snively, CHC, how about the 74 quarters vs #8 RPI? #. 1 UNH, with Gordie Clark, CliffCox, and Jamie Hislop scoring 3 goals in 75 seconds (?) or so, getting beat by Don Cutts in net, 8-7 to be eliminated! That year was the first time UNH made #1 nationally...ah, the old ECAC division with 17 teams in it....now that was a choke!
    Didn't see that game, but I was at about that age when some creative pre-cable fiddling with the old VHF "rabbit ears" was able to bring in a very fuzzy Channel 11 for my first exposure to UNH Wildcats hockey. Definitely during the Cap Raeder era, and while I've heard and read great tales, and seen the C-H-C video more than a few times, I don't have a first-person recall of that game, so I'll bow to my seniors on that one.

    First UNH game I ever saw in person was UNH vs. Dartmouth in the '79 ECAC Finals at the old Boston Garden. Had seen my first Beanpot a month or so before that (with a line-up cluttered with soon-to-be Olympic heroes, BU edged BC), loved the whole vibe, and figured the ECAC's with UNH involved would be even better. And was it ever!! Talk about a good place to start.

    How I then decided to go to Bentley a few months later instead of UNH, BU or even BC (no - I never wasted my time or energy applying to Dartmouth for the inevitable rejection letter) after all that excitement is anybody's guess. Good times, though.

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  • C-H-C
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    Originally posted by zoofer View Post
    In regards to "biggest choke", use the way back machine guys...Chuck, Snively, CHC, how about the 74 quarters vs #8 RPI? #. 1 UNH, with Gordie Clark, CliffCox, and Jamie Hislop scoring 3 goals in 75 seconds (?) or so, getting beat by Don Cutts in net, 8-7 to be eliminated! That year was the first time UNH made #1 nationally...ah, the old ECAC division with 17 teams in it....now that was a choke!
    It was a crushing defeat, to be sure. The game included the highest highs (see video in the signature below) and the lowest lows.

    Looking back after all these years, I don't feel the loss was a "choke". All-American goalie Cap Raeder was injured and didn't make the saves that were routine when he was healthy. Maybe he shouldn't have tried to play but he did the best he could given his limited mobility.

    In any event, the loss didn't mean the beginning of the end for the hockey program. As you know better than any of us, some of the best years of UNH Hockey came immediately after the 1974 loss to RPI.

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  • zoofer
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    In regards to "biggest choke", use the way back machine guys...Chuck, Snively, CHC, how about the 74 quarters vs #8 RPI? #. 1 UNH, with Gordie Clark, CliffCox, and Jamie Hislop scoring 3 goals in 75 seconds (?) or so, getting beat by Don Cutts in net, 8-7 to be eliminated! That year was the first time UNH made #1 nationally...ah, the old ECAC division with 17 teams in it....now that was a choke!
    Last edited by zoofer; 03-04-2013, 05:27 AM.

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  • unh1982
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    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    Someone has a very long (and very good) memory!!
    Will be a dog fight For that fourth spot in the power.unh bc lowell all tied..lowell can improve, playing tuc pc....however if mack loses once they fall off helping unh and hurting lowell....but will not be decided till finals of HE

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  • Chuck Murray
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
    Of course, I am hoping for the most unlikely team at this point to prevail for the AHA autoseed, Bentley.
    Someone has a very long (and very good) memory!!

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  • Snively65
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    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    My lingering recollection of the Buffalo final was a team spending most of the game "playing not to lose", and I suspect that colors my analysis of whether that was a "choke" or not.

    Totally agree, Snively. As to the potential of a "rematch" with Niagara later this month, I say "bring it on". We have an old score to settle there.

    UMass-Lowell totally dominating the 'Mack after two periods now. Looks like we've all become temporary Providence fans for a week ...
    Exactly on "playing not to lose" that 2003 finals game, which is one of the few times that I have not agreed with Umile's pre-game strategy.

    If UNH happens to draw any AHA team in Manchvegas, we have a collective score to settle, as I include RIT at Albany on the same level as Niagara for definition of "choke." Of course, I am hoping for the most unlikely team at this point to prevail for the AHA autoseed, Bentley.

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  • Chuck Murray
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    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    Chuck, there are disappointments and then there are chokes. Losing in the FF to me is disappointing. Getting there is hard enough, so any victories once you get there are okay with me. Even regional losses in the mid-90's (Denver, CC) and the mid-oughts (Michigan, Michigan State, Miami) I'd have to classify as disappointments not chokes. Just not happy with how a team can perform at a high level throughout the season then just mail it in come post-season.
    But isn't that part in bold pretty much the definition of a "choke"?

    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    As for this team, after last year I had absolutely no expectations that they could play .500 hockey, let alone win the league. My take is that UNH has played better than expected, but teams like BC and BU did not perform up to their expectations. Somebody said that there are several great teams in the league. I'd have to disagree. A lot of teams have outstanding parts, but none of these teams will remind you of the Hockey East teams that played 10-15 years ago. Still exciting, just not at as high a level.
    100% agreed across the board, Greg. I know sometimes as we get older, the players of old can get "better". But I do sense a slight drop-off in overall talent level in the league these days. Or maybe the talent is spread out more evenly across more teams, or more "system hockey" has leveled things out across the board?

    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    I have some hope for this team because defense has been their hallmark most of the year and defense is, as they say, whats wins championships. I just hope they have enough offense to go with it. We'll see.
    Again, I agree 100% Greg. Maybe even 110%. It's been a fun season, and I'm hoping for an equally fun post-season too. We'll see soon enough.

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  • Chuck Murray
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Season Thread

    Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
    Great post, Chuck. And, I agree with you about "chokes" entirely, EXCEPT for the 2003 Finals loss to the Gophers. I do not think that UNH really had a chance in that game, after playing their hearts out to beat Cornell and a great goalie in Dave LeNeveu 3-2 two days earlier, without their leading scorer and emotional leader Lanny Gare, lost to a separated shoulder in the regionals. I did not like Umile's strategy to play one of his forwards back for over 50 minutes of the game whenever Vanek's line was on the ice, although I admit that for 48 of those minutes the strategy worked. But, Vanek (WCHA Rookie of the Year, only non-Minnesotan on the team, and a decade later arguably one of the 10 best at creating his own offiense in the NHL) would not be denied with his goal and assist within about 3 minutes near the middle of the third. Tallackson's two goals were fairly meaningless later in the third as UNH gave up their defensive strategy in an attempt to get back into the game. No way that this game was choke in my book, either by the team or by Umile.
    Good points for sure ... but although Gare was a very good player, that was a very deep and very experienced UNH squad that had just won the second of their back-to-back HE Tourneys. I don't recall anyone thinking at the time that Gare's injury - although not helpful of course - was something that would cripple UNH's chances. Maybe they were unlucky to have to face an equally-experienced defending national champ on that evening? Maybe if they hadn't blinked the prior year against UMaine in the semis in St. Paul, they would have faced the Gophers a year earlier, and they would have known better what to expect (save freshman Vanek of course) in Buffalo? Obviously, we'll never know. I do recall being pretty pumped that they got past Cornell in the semis, although I also recall some last-minute scrambling to hold off the Big Red. In retrospect, we now know Cornell (like UNH) did not possess any transcendent talent like Vanek; their most talented player was a frosh forward named Matt Moulson who was hardly remarkable at that early stage of his career. My lingering recollection of the Buffalo final was a team spending most of the game "playing not to lose", and I suspect that colors my analysis of whether that was a "choke" or not.

    Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
    The UNH teams in the late 90s and early 2000s were loaded with talent, unlike any UNH teams that we have seen since. I say that UNH teams almost always have overachieved since 2003, especially this year's edition of the Wildcats. And, oops, if the regular season and conference tournaments were over today, UNH would be playing Niagara in the Manchvegas regionals, and until this past weekend Niagara has been awesome this season.
    Totally agree, Snively. As to the potential of a "rematch" with Niagara later this month, I say "bring it on". We have an old score to settle there.

    UMass-Lowell totally dominating the 'Mack after two periods now. Looks like we've all become temporary Providence fans for a week ...

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  • Aerman
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    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    ... In recent memory the team that galls me the most is the one in 2008. Four All-Americans on that team, Regan in goal, and they just were not ready to play vs. Notre Dame. Of course, they did cough it up to BC in the HE finals, so I guess you could call that a choke...
    Agree completely. This was the team that irked me the most. Not to say that they had more talent than '98, '99, '02 or '03, they didn't. But across the seasons the overall college talent isn't always the same. In 2007-2008 UNH was as good as anyone in the country and demonstrated it on multiple occasions. This was the only team since the start of HE that swept BU, BC and ME in the same year. And, they had BC, the eventual champion of HE and NCAA down and out at 4-0 halfway through the HE semi ... just a total collapse for the next 30 minutes (before gamely holding on into triple overtime) followed by a no-show in the first round the following week. I still feel like if that team had the grit the following year's squad showed in Manchester, we fans would finally have had the title we crave.

    Back to the present...

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  • unh1982
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    Originally posted by New Hampshire 'Cats Fan View Post
    I just talked to my folks who live in Ohio and have directv. They could see the Friday game, but not the Saturday game on FCS (same problem you had). That's a bummer to hear.
    Thx

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  • goblue
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    Originally posted by unh1982 View Post
    Live in RI..called up direct tv. They couldn't find it..was ****ed.
    I watched it on WBIN (a local NH station that has been carrying a lot of UNH games, as well as some Merrimack games.)

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