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  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

    Glad to see the Pios held on to #4.
    Next year is the question mark with BC so close and DU will be in transition--new coach, new system, very few seniors, and as of now only 1 goalie in the roster.

    Scott Mayfield signing with the Isles was expected. Jussi Olkinuora is a big loss, but his timing was excellent as a free agent--who knows how he would do in the future and of course he had to begin paying on his student loan for his freshman year Sorry to see Nick Shore leave. Not sure how much the Kings pushed or big bro, Drew, in the NHL weighed into his decision.
    GO DU !!!

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    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

      So here is what is on the line in these rankings today (note: these are my assumptions based on past seasons...not 100% gospel truth...but close )...

      Boston College vs. Denver - The winner here will be in the #4 spot. Neither can catch Minnesota with a title (although they can get significantly closer). The loser will be in the #5 spot. There is an extremely slight chance that BC could hold on to the 4 spot with a loss, but DU would certainly have to lose their next game, and Gaudreau would have to win the Hobey...along with Denver getting shutout in All-America honors, with the Eagles getting several. Again, it is a long shot, but possible.

      North Dakota vs. Ferris State - North Dakota likely secures the #2 spot with a victory over the Bulldogs. If they lose, a Gopher National Championship could vault Minnesota over North Dakota. There is also an outside shot that North Dakota could push Michigan for the top spot with a National Title...but it is quite unlikely. That being said, the two teams would probably be within 3-4 points of each other in that scenario.
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      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

        Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
        So here is what is on the line in these rankings today (note: these are my assumptions based on past seasons...not 100% gospel truth...but close )...
        Eh. I'm more interested in how many spots RoMo vaulted with their tournament appearance.


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        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

          Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
          Eh. I'm more interested in how many spots RoMo vaulted with their tournament appearance.


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          They'll jump a few, but probably not too many. One way to get sort of a sneak preview of the rankings is to compare teams with similar credentials. In RMU's case, it would be team's that have 1 Tourney Appearance (Alaska, Canisius, Massachusetts, RIT, and Robert Morris), then look at those programs' histories (how they fared in the Tournament, conference titles (regular season and post season), overall record, strength of schedule...etc.). It's not always perfect, but it usually will give a pretty good sense of the order of how those teams should be ranked.
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          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

            What's at Stake at the Frozen Four?

            North Dakota - The Sioux are likely to stay at #2 (but, see Minnesota), even with a National Championship. Based on preliminary calculations, North Dakota would wind up about 2-4 points behind Michigan if they win it over Boston College, and about 3-5 points behind if they win it over Union. Getting to the National Championship secures their spot at #2, and they would inch closer to Michigan (but still sit probably 20-25 points behind) and separate further from Minnesota. Potential landing spots: #1-3

            Minnesota - The Gophers can move into the #2 spot with a National Championship if they beat Boston College. It would be significantly closer if they were to beat Union, although still possible. Either way, it will likely come down to just a couple points separating the two teams. The Gophers cannot be dislodged from the #3 spot, even if BC wins the title. The gap is too significant. Potential landing spots: #2-3.

            Boston College - The Eagles will finish at #4 regardless of what they do. A National Title will bring them closer to Minnesota, and will also provide further separation between the pack at 5-7. Even a loss to Union will still be enough for BC to finish fourth; however, it would mean that teams 5-7 would still be within a reasonable distance next season. Potential landing spot: #4

            Union - The Dutchmen have the biggest potential to move up. If they win the National Championship, they will almost certainly jump up to #23. A loss in the title game would probably keep the Dutchmen around #27-28. A loss to BC in the Semis would likely push Union up to the #32-34 range. Potential landing spots: #23-34.

            As for everyone else, well, you'll just have to wait and see when the rankings are revealed (within 2 weeks of Frozen Four).
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            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

              Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
              What's at Stake at the Frozen Four?

              North Dakota - The Sioux are likely to stay at #2 (but, see Minnesota), even with a National Championship. Based on preliminary calculations, North Dakota would wind up about 2-4 points behind Michigan if they win it over Boston College, and about 3-5 points behind if they win it over Union. Getting to the National Championship secures their spot at #2, and they would inch closer to Michigan (but still sit probably 20-25 points behind) and separate further from Minnesota. Potential landing spots: #1-3

              Minnesota - The Gophers can move into the #2 spot with a National Championship if they beat Boston College. It would be significantly closer if they were to beat Union, although still possible. Either way, it will likely come down to just a couple points separating the two teams. The Gophers cannot be dislodged from the #3 spot, even if BC wins the title. The gap is too significant. Potential landing spots: #2-3.

              Boston College - The Eagles will finish at #4 regardless of what they do. A National Title will bring them closer to Minnesota, and will also provide further separation between the pack at 5-7. Even a loss to Union will still be enough for BC to finish fourth; however, it would mean that teams 5-7 would still be within a reasonable distance next season. Potential landing spot: #4

              Union - The Dutchmen have the biggest potential to move up. If they win the National Championship, they will almost certainly jump up to #23. A loss in the title game would probably keep the Dutchmen around #27-28. A loss to BC in the Semis would likely push Union up to the #32-34 range. Potential landing spots: #23-34.

              As for everyone else, well, you'll just have to wait and see when the rankings are revealed (within 2 weeks of Frozen Four).
              Union should be ranked #26. Permanently.

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              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                Union should be ranked #26. Permanently.
                Well, I'll be working hard over the next week or so to tabulate the rankings, but I expect them to shake the #26 ranking...we'll see.

                Given how the tournament shook out, there should be some changes in the middle to bottom third of the rankings. When I finish getting everything that I need and input the data in, I'll start posting the rankings.
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                • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                  Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                  So here is what is on the line in these rankings today (note: these are my assumptions based on past seasons...not 100% gospel truth...but close )...

                  Boston College vs. Denver - The winner here will be in the #4 spot. Neither can catch Minnesota with a title (although they can get significantly closer). The loser will be in the #5 spot. There is an extremely slight chance that BC could hold on to the 4 spot with a loss, but DU would certainly have to lose their next game, and Gaudreau would have to win the Hobey...along with Denver getting shutout in All-America honors, with the Eagles getting several. Again, it is a long shot, but possible.

                  North Dakota vs. Ferris State - North Dakota likely secures the #2 spot with a victory over the Bulldogs. If they lose, a Gopher National Championship could vault Minnesota over North Dakota. There is also an outside shot that North Dakota could push Michigan for the top spot with a National Title...but it is quite unlikely. That being said, the two teams would probably be within 3-4 points of each other in that scenario.
                  At least we got a couple of All Americans! And, of course, the 1st NCHC Tournament Championship.
                  GO DU !!!

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                  • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                    Originally posted by vizoroo View Post
                    At least we got a couple of All Americans! And, of course, the 1st NCHC Tournament Championship.
                    Those all help an otherwise mediocre campaign (by DU's standards).

                    The data is almost completely finished. I think I'm going to go back to how I unveiled the teams (1 by 1) the initial time. I figure it has been enough time, and the standings moved around quite a bit.

                    Anyway, be on the lookout for who will come in at #59!
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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                      Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                      Those all help an otherwise mediocre campaign (by DU's standards).

                      The data is almost completely finished. I think I'm going to go back to how I unveiled the teams (1 by 1) the initial time. I figure it has been enough time, and the standings moved around quite a bit.

                      Anyway, be on the lookout for who will come in at #59!
                      Has to be Penn State.

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                      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                        #59 - Bentley Falcons
                        All-Time Record (Division 1): 171-294-55 (.382)
                        NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
                        Conference Championships: Regular Season - 0, Tournament - 0
                        National Championships: 0
                        Points Earned - 0.0363
                        Change: +0.0111 (+44.05%)
                        Last Season Position: 59 (unchanged)

                        The Bentley Falcons put together the program's best season this year, winning 56.8% of their games (best ever), finishing second in the conference (best finish), and winning 19 games (tied for best). That was good enough for the Falcons to improve their position by almost 45%. Bentley will remain in last position for this season, but they are on the upswing. The Falcons have finished .500 or better in 3 of the past 6 seasons, and nearly advanced to the Atlantic Hockey Semifinals for the second time, but dropped two heartbreaking 1 goal games to eventual runner-up Canisius. While the Falcons are currently at the bottom of the standings, don't expect them to stay here much longer if they continue on an upswing.

                        #59 - Bentley - 0.0363
                        North Dakota
                        National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                          #58 - American International Yellow Jackets
                          All-Time Record (Division 1): 630-932-76 (.408)
                          NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
                          Conference Championships: Regular Season - 0, Tournament - 0
                          National Championships: 0
                          Points Earned - 0.0374
                          Change: +0.0057 (+17.98%)
                          Last Season Position: 56 (dropped 2 spots)

                          The Yellow Jackets have been steadily improving, winning double digit games in back to back seasons for the first time in over a decade. Unfortunately for AIC, that still wasn't enough for them to hold on to their #56 spot (largely due to Robert Morris making the NCAA Tournament). If they can continue to improve in conference, and perhaps make a run at an NCAA Tournament birth, the Yellow Jackets could very well move up in the rankings. For now, they will have to settle for gaining points as opposed to losing them.

                          #58 - AIC - 0.0374
                          #59 - Bentley - 0.0363
                          North Dakota
                          National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                            #57 - Penn State Nittany Lions
                            All-Time Record (Division 1): 34-53-3 (.394)
                            NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
                            Conference Championships: Regular Season - 0, Tournament - 0
                            National Championships: 0
                            Points Earned - 0.0589
                            Change: +0.0322 (+120.6%)
                            Last Season Position: 58 (up 1 spot)

                            Penn State struggled in their second season of D-1 hockey since 1947. However, they managed to increase their points, largely due to their strength of schedule and victories over Michigan. If the Nittany Lions can continue to score victories over top programs such as Michigan, they should continue to slowly rise in the rankings. It is hard to imagine with the money invested and the top notch conference that they play in that Penn State will be down in the bottom 5 for long. An NCAA Tournament appearance, albeit not likely in the next year or two, would likely push PSU into the full point range, although not a guarantee. For now, the Nittany Lions sit at #57.

                            #57 - Penn State - 0.0589
                            #58 - AIC - 0.0374
                            #59 - Bentley - 0.0363
                            Last edited by Fighting Sioux 23; 04-20-2014, 09:46 AM. Reason: corrected change points
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                            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                              Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                              #57 - Penn State Nittany Lions
                              All-Time Record (Division 1): 34-53-3 (.394)
                              NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
                              Conference Championships: Regular Season - 0, Tournament - 0
                              National Championships: 0
                              Points Earned - 0.0589
                              Change: +0.0267 (+120.6%)
                              Last Season Position: 58 (up 1 spot)
                              If they have a total of 0.0589 and that is an increase of 0.0267 from last year, they must have had 0.0322 last season. That represents a 82.9% increase, not 120.6% which is the reciprocal.
                              Last edited by Ralph Baer; 04-20-2014, 01:50 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                                So, there are the rankings. I always like to see what can change depending on next season, and here are how I see potential moves...

                                1. Michigan - The Wolverines have a nearly 44 point barrier between them and North Dakota. That means that Michigan will almost certainly be the #1 team next season, barring one of the great seasons in college hockey history by North Dakota. Even then, the Wolverines would likely need to have another season similar to this past year.

                                2-3. North Dakota/Minnesota - North Dakota has a strong, but not insurmountable lead on the Gophers. A Gopher national championship next year, coupled with North Dakota not making a decent run (read: Regional Final or Better), would likely vault Minnesota into 2nd position. Nobody can really challenge Minnesota for third, as the Gophers have a 61 point lead on DU.

                                4-7. Denver/BC/BU/Wisconsin - The difference between 4 through 7 is less than 10 points, which means that if any of the teams in this group win the title, they will be 4th, regardless of what any of the others do. On the flip side, any of these programs could finish 7th depending on what they and the rest do. If none of these teams win the title (or make a title run), then it is probably more realistic to group these teams into 4/5(DU/BC) and 6/7 (BU/UW). Each of those pairings could flip quite easily if one squad has a strong season with an NCAA Tournament birth and the other in the pairing does not. Ultimately, there could be some movement here.

                                8. Michigan State - The Spartans are assured of finishing 8th next season. They are about 110 points behind 7th, and 64 points ahead of 9th. Basically, it's probably going to be awhile before Michigan State goes anywhere in the rankings.

                                9-13. Maine/Tech/Cornell/LSSU/CC - Maine has a pretty good grasp on the 9th spot, unless one of the rest of the group makes a title run, or a runner up finish. It is possible that Michigan Tech could catch Maine with a Frozen Four and the right results elsewhere. As for the 10th position, Michigan Tech is in jeopardy of falling out. If Cornell rebounds with a strong season and an NCAA Tournament birth, Michigan Tech could slip out of the top 10. Moreover, if LSSU or CC make a run to the Frozen Four next season, Tech could easily slip down to the 13th position. This is a group where we could see some movement.

                                14-15. Harvard/Clarkson - Less than a point separate these programs, so a strong season by Clarkson and a weak season by Harvard could be all it takes to swap these two squads. Also, if either of these squads wins a national title next season, it is likely that they would jump all the way to #10. Anything less though, and these squads are staying in this grouping unless...

                                16-17. Duluth/RPI - Duluth is pretty strong at 16 for now, as they have about an 8 point lead on RPI. However, if RPI has a great season next year, coupled with a Frozen Four birth, they could very well move up over Duluth. Both teams could jump up in the Standings as well with a national title. For Duluth, that would likely wind up with the Bulldogs in 13th. For RPI, that would likely mean that the Engineers would jump up to 14th.

                                18-20. UNH/NMU/BGSU - This group is only separated by 2 points, so there could easily be some movement here. If any of these teams win a national title, they will move up over Duluth and RPI and into the 16 position, but unlikely to go any higher. Moreover, if a team from the group behind them wins a title, everyone here could drop a spot.

                                21-22. Yale/SLU - These squads are separated by only 3 points, so they could easily swap next season if the results are right. If Yale were to repeat, they would likely move up to the 16 position, while if SLU were to capture their first title, they would likely move up to the 17 position, although the 16 position could be possible. The only way this group would be caught and move down would be if one of the teams close behind them were to win the national title.

                                As for the rest of the rankings, they can all change pretty fluidly. Use the following averages as sort of a guidepost to see how the rankings could change:

                                Season ends with
                                - National Championship - ~40 points
                                - National Runner-up - ~20 points
                                - Frozen Four Birth - ~8 points
                                - Regional Finalist - ~5 points
                                - NCAA Tournament Birth - ~2 points
                                - .500 record - ~1/2 point
                                - Less than 10 wins ~ (-)1/2 point

                                Obviously, if a team wins their conference tournament and regular season title along with a variety of other things that too can alter how many points a team will receive. Moreover, we saw this year how a program winning their first title can affect the rankings.

                                Anyway, if anyone has any questions, I'll gladly answer them as best I can. Otherwise, I hope everyone enjoyed the unveiling of this year's rankings.
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