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  • #91
    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

    Coming in at #11...

    Cornell - 157.7217

    The Big Red struggled this season, finishing 10th in the competitive ECAC. However, despite a disappointing 15-16-3 overall record, Cornell earned nearly 2.5 points, thanks almost entirely to Yale's national title. Last season, Cornell was ranked #11.

    Coming in at #12...

    Lake Superior State - 154.4584 Points

    The Lakers struggled this season, putting up a 17-21-1 record in the CCHA en route to an 8th place finish. As a result, LSSU only added around 1/4 of a point to their totals. Last season, LSSU was ranked #12.

    Coming in at #13...

    Colorado College - 149.5351 Points

    The Tigers struggled throughout the regular season in the WCHA, but nearly pulled off a late-season miracle by reaching the Final Five title game, only to fall to Wisconsin. As a result, the Tigers added roughly 1/2 of a point to their totals, thanks in large part to their 11-12-2 record against national champions this season. Last season, CC was ranked #13.

    Coming in at #14...

    Harvard - 127.793 Points

    The Crimson hit the lottery so to speak when Yale won the national championship. No program has beat up on Yale like Harvard, and that earned the Crimson around 8.5 points. That may help take the sting out of an awful 10-19-3 finish in the ECAC where they finished dead last. Last season, Harvard was ranked #15.

    Coming in at #15...

    Clarkson - 126.917

    The Golden Knights remain the highest ranked program that has never won a national title. Thanks to Yale's national title, the Knights earned just over 3 points on the season. Clarkson finished 9th in the ECAC with an overall record of 9-20-7. Last season, Clarkson was ranked #14.

    11. Cornell - 157.7217 Points
    12. Lake Superior State - 154.4584 Points
    13. Colorado College - 149.5351 Points
    14. Harvard - 127.793 Points
    15. Clarkson - 126.917 Points
    16. Minnesota Duluth - 110.929 Points
    17. Rensselaer - 102.62 Points
    18. New Hampshire - 83.3438 Points
    19. Northern Michigan - 81.1136 Points
    20. Bowling Green - 80.1139 Points
    21. Yale - 72.6486 Points
    22. St. Lawrence - 69.0047 Points
    23. Miami - 46.3487 Points
    24. Providence - 39.7872 Points
    25. Notre Dame - 39.4614 Points
    26. Dartmouth - 38.6488 Points
    27. Colgate - 30.6333 Points
    28. Ferris State - 27.8098 Points
    29. Northeastern - 25.7628 Points
    30. Quinnipiac - 23.932 Points
    31. SCSU - 21.1894 Points
    32. Brown - 20.6818 Points
    33. Ohio State - 18.5065 Points
    34. Vermont - 16.4983 Points
    35. Massachusetts-Lowell - 14.4537 Points
    36. Bemidji State - 12.2673 Points
    37. Union - 11.6362 Points
    38. RIT - 9.6441 Points
    39. Niagara - 8.1791 Points
    40. Western Michigan - 7.6937 Points
    41. Princeton - 6.9437 Points
    42. Air Force - 6.316 Points
    43. Alaska Anchorage - 5.3826 Points
    44. Holy Cross - 4.7964 Points
    45. Nebraska Omaha - 4.4203 Points
    46. Merrimack - 4.4007 Points
    47. Mercyhurst - 3.7808 Points
    48. Alaska - 3.424 Points
    49. Minnesota State - 3.3837 Points
    50. Massachusetts - 3.3269 Points
    51. Alabama Huntsville - 2.3369 Points
    52. Army - 1.6095 Points
    53. Canisius - 0.5775 Points
    54. Connecticut - 0.224 Points
    55. Sacred Heart - 0.1629 Points
    56. AIC - 0.0317 Points
    57. Robert Morris - 0.0276 Points
    58. Penn State - 0.0267 Points
    59. Bentley - 0.0252 Points
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    • #92
      Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

      Clarkson is the highest-ranked team without a title, as you said... is Yale the lowest-ranked team with a title? Seems surprising for a squad with as much history as they have.


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      • #93
        Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

        Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
        Clarkson is the highest-ranked team without a title, as you said... is Yale the lowest-ranked team with a title? Seems surprising for a squad with as much history as they have.


        Powers &8^]
        Yes. Yale is the lowest ranked program with a title. Keep in mind, only 5 schools have 1 national title (Harvard, Duluth, Northern Michigan, Bowling Green, and Yale). Some stats around those 5 programs...

        NCAA Tournament Appearances:
        1. Harvard - 21
        2. Bowling Green - 9
        3. Minnesota Duluth - 8
        3. Northern Michigan - 8
        5. Yale - 6

        NCAA Tournament Wins:
        1. Harvard - 14
        1. Minnesota Duluth - 14
        3. Northern Michigan - 10
        4. Bowling Green - 7
        4. Yale - 7

        NCAA Frozen Fours:
        1. Harvard - 12
        2. Minnesota Duluth - 4
        3. Northern Michigan - 3
        4. Bowling Green - 2
        4. Yale - 2

        Regular Season League Titles:
        1. Harvard - 10 (only counting ECAC)
        2. Bowling Green - 7
        3. Minnesota Duluth - 3
        3. Northern Michigan - 3
        3. Yale - 3

        Conference Tournament Titles:
        1. Harvard - 8
        2. Bowling Green - 5
        2. Northern Michigan - 5
        4. Minnesota Duluth - 3
        5. Yale - 2

        All-time Winning Percentage:
        1. Harvard - 59.84%
        2. Northern Michigan - 54.43%
        3. Bowling Green - 51.78%
        4. Yale - 49.7%
        5. Minnesota Duluth - 49.38%

        While Yale has been playing longer than anyone else, they simply don't have the résumé to deserve to be ahead of anyone else on the list. Of course, if they keep up their pace over the last 5 years, they will likely pass Bowling Green and Northern Michigan soon, and with another title could pass Minnesota Duluth. For right now though, they are at the bottom of the heap when it comes to ranking national champions...at least using my formula.
        North Dakota
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        • #94
          Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

          Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
          NCAA Tournament Appearances:
          1. Harvard - 21
          2. Bowling Green - 9
          3. Minnesota Duluth - 8
          3. Northern Michigan - 8
          5. Yale - 6

          NCAA Tournament Wins:
          1. Harvard - 14
          1. Minnesota Duluth - 14
          3. Northern Michigan - 10
          4. Bowling Green - 7
          4. Yale - 7
          UMD almost 2 to 1 for wins to appearances. I know titles matter, but not bad.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
            Clarkson is the highest-ranked team without a title, as you said... is Yale the lowest-ranked team with a title? Seems surprising for a squad with as much history as they have.


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            • #96
              Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

              Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
              UMD almost 2 to 1 for wins to appearances. I know titles matter, but not bad.
              Yeah, the Bulldogs have one of the highest wins/appearance ratios at 1.75 wins/appearance. The only school better with more than 5 NCAA Appearances is LSSU, which has 20 NCAA Wins in 10 NCAA Appearances.

              Other schools with solid numbers?

              Maine - 1.66 wins/appearance
              North Dakota - 1.57 wins/appearance
              Wisconsin - 1.56 wins/appearance
              Minnesota - 1.53 wins/appearance

              Another amazing stat about LSSU is that they are 7-1 in their 8 Frozen Four games...tops amongst any program.
              North Dakota
              National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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              • #97
                Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                Coming in at #6...

                Boston University - 346.2341 Points

                The Terriers had a decent season, going 21-16-2 in Jack Parker's last campaign, and nearly won the Hockey East Tournament, falling in the title game to Lowell. That was good enough to earn the Terriers nearly 3/4 of a point. Last season, BU was ranked #6.

                Coming in at #7...

                Wisconsin - 344.0009 Points

                The Badgers started the season off on the wrong foot, winning only 1 of their first 10, but they rebounded with a hot streak in the second half to win the Final Five Tournament, make the NCAA Tournament, and finish with a 22-13-7 record. Consequently, the Badgers earned almost 3.5 points on the season. Last season, Wisconsin was ranked #7.

                Coming in at #8...

                Michigan State - 234.1986 Points

                The Spartans struggled in 2012-2013, finishing with a 14-25-3 overall record, and in dead last in the CCHA. As a result, the Spartans lost nearly 1/2 of a point. Last season, Michigan State was ranked #8.

                Coming in at #9...

                Maine - 170.6462 Points

                The Black Bears had a disappointing season in 2012-2013, finishing in a tie for 7th in Hockey East and had a 11-19-8 record overall. The poor season meant that Maine only garnered less than 1/4 of a point, primarily from their record against National Champions (they went 4-3-1) and some success against Yale in their past. Last season, Maine was ranked #9.

                Coming in at #10...

                Michigan Tech - 161.5391 Points

                The Huskies struggled at times, yet impressed at times, in a season where they finished 10th in the WCHA, won their first GLI in 30+ years, and held an overall record of 13-20-4. As a result, the Huskies earned about 1/6 of a point on the season. Last season, Michigan Tech was ranked #10.

                06. Boston University - 346.3341 Points
                07. Wisconsin - 344.0009 Points
                08. Michigan State - 234.1986 Points
                09. Maine - 170.6462 Points
                10. Michigan Tech - 161.5391 Points
                11. Cornell - 157.7217 Points
                12. Lake Superior State - 154.4584 Points
                13. Colorado College - 149.5351 Points
                14. Harvard - 127.793 Points
                15. Clarkson - 126.917 Points
                16. Minnesota Duluth - 110.929 Points
                17. Rensselaer - 102.62 Points
                18. New Hampshire - 83.3438 Points
                19. Northern Michigan - 81.1136 Points
                20. Bowling Green - 80.1139 Points
                21. Yale - 72.6486 Points
                22. St. Lawrence - 69.0047 Points
                23. Miami - 46.3487 Points
                24. Providence - 39.7872 Points
                25. Notre Dame - 39.4614 Points
                26. Dartmouth - 38.6488 Points
                27. Colgate - 30.6333 Points
                28. Ferris State - 27.8098 Points
                29. Northeastern - 25.7628 Points
                30. Quinnipiac - 23.932 Points
                31. SCSU - 21.1894 Points
                32. Brown - 20.6818 Points
                33. Ohio State - 18.5065 Points
                34. Vermont - 16.4983 Points
                35. Massachusetts-Lowell - 14.4537 Points
                36. Bemidji State - 12.2673 Points
                37. Union - 11.6362 Points
                38. RIT - 9.6441 Points
                39. Niagara - 8.1791 Points
                40. Western Michigan - 7.6937 Points
                41. Princeton - 6.9437 Points
                42. Air Force - 6.316 Points
                43. Alaska Anchorage - 5.3826 Points
                44. Holy Cross - 4.7964 Points
                45. Nebraska Omaha - 4.4203 Points
                46. Merrimack - 4.4007 Points
                47. Mercyhurst - 3.7808 Points
                48. Alaska - 3.424 Points
                49. Minnesota State - 3.3837 Points
                50. Massachusetts - 3.3269 Points
                51. Alabama Huntsville - 2.3369 Points
                52. Army - 1.6095 Points
                53. Canisius - 0.5775 Points
                54. Connecticut - 0.224 Points
                55. Sacred Heart - 0.1629 Points
                56. AIC - 0.0317 Points
                57. Robert Morris - 0.0276 Points
                58. Penn State - 0.0267 Points
                59. Bentley - 0.0252 Points
                North Dakota
                National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                • #98
                  Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                  10 bucks UMinn is next. Has to be them.

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                  • #99
                    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                    I think BC was #5 in FS's rankings last year so it could be them since they did nothing last year
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                    • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                      Originally posted by sterlippo1 View Post
                      I think BC was #5 in FS's rankings last year so it could be them since they did nothing last year
                      I wouldn't say nothing. They did win a crock of beans.

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                      • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                        Coming in at #1...

                        Michigan - 493.1183 Points

                        The Wolverines struggled for most of the season, but nearly pulled off another epic late charge to earn their 23rd consecutive trip to the NCAA Tournament. Alas, it was not meant to be for Michigan this year. The Wolverines went 18-19-3 this season, their first losing season since 1986-1987. As a result, the Wolverines barely budged from last year's totals. Last season, Michigan was ranked #1.

                        Coming in at #2...

                        North Dakota - 449.4584 Points

                        UND had a strong season, winning 20+ games for the 11th consecutive season, and making their 11th consecutive NCAA Tournament appearance and 16th in the last 17 years. North Dakota went 22-13-7 overall, and finished 3rd in the WCHA, and made the Regional Final of the NCAA Tournament before bowing out to eventual champion Yale. Their season, combined with the fact that I had missed one of their NCAA Tournament appearances before, saw North Dakota earn over 9.5 points this season. Last season, North Dakota was ranked #2.

                        Coming in at #3...

                        Minnesota - 415.2059 Points

                        The Gophers had yet another strong season, as they won the MacNaughton Cup on the last day of the Regular Season, and made the NCAA Tournament for the 34th time. The Gophers had an overall record of 26-9-5, and lost in Overtime in the First Round of the NCAA Tournament to the eventual National Champion Yale Bulldogs. That earned the Gophers over 4 points to their totals. Last season, Minnesota was ranked #3.

                        Coming in at #4...

                        Denver - 354.0743 Points

                        The Pioneers season was one of ups and downs. They started out strong, struggled during the middle before playing better in February and March, then finally fading in the playoffs. It all amounted to a 20-14-5 overall record and an NCAA Tournament appearance for DU. Consequently, the Pioneers received a slight bump in the rankings. Last season, Denver was ranked #4.

                        Coming in at #5...

                        Boston College - 353.4249 Points

                        The Eagles bid for a repeat ended quickly in the NCAA Tournament, but BC still had a strong season. The Eagles finished the year with an overall record of 22-12-4 and made the NCAA Tournament. Also, Johnny Gaudreau finished in the Hobey Hat Trick. As a result, the Eagles added over 4 points to their totals. Last season, BC was ranked #5.

                        01. Michigan - 493.1183 Points
                        02. North Dakota - 449.4584 Points
                        03. Minnesota - 415.2059 Points
                        04. Denver - 354.0743 Points
                        05. Boston College - 353.4249 Points
                        06. Boston University - 346.3341 Points
                        07. Wisconsin - 344.0009 Points
                        08. Michigan State - 234.1986 Points
                        09. Maine - 170.6462 Points
                        10. Michigan Tech - 161.5391 Points
                        11. Cornell - 157.7217 Points
                        12. Lake Superior State - 154.4584 Points
                        13. Colorado College - 149.5351 Points
                        14. Harvard - 127.793 Points
                        15. Clarkson - 126.917 Points
                        16. Minnesota Duluth - 110.929 Points
                        17. Rensselaer - 102.62 Points
                        18. New Hampshire - 83.3438 Points
                        19. Northern Michigan - 81.1136 Points
                        20. Bowling Green - 80.1139 Points
                        21. Yale - 72.6486 Points
                        22. St. Lawrence - 69.0047 Points
                        23. Miami - 46.3487 Points
                        24. Providence - 39.7872 Points
                        25. Notre Dame - 39.4614 Points
                        26. Dartmouth - 38.6488 Points
                        27. Colgate - 30.6333 Points
                        28. Ferris State - 27.8098 Points
                        29. Northeastern - 25.7628 Points
                        30. Quinnipiac - 23.932 Points
                        31. SCSU - 21.1894 Points
                        32. Brown - 20.6818 Points
                        33. Ohio State - 18.5065 Points
                        34. Vermont - 16.4983 Points
                        35. Massachusetts-Lowell - 14.4537 Points
                        36. Bemidji State - 12.2673 Points
                        37. Union - 11.6362 Points
                        38. RIT - 9.6441 Points
                        39. Niagara - 8.1791 Points
                        40. Western Michigan - 7.6937 Points
                        41. Princeton - 6.9437 Points
                        42. Air Force - 6.316 Points
                        43. Alaska Anchorage - 5.3826 Points
                        44. Holy Cross - 4.7964 Points
                        45. Nebraska Omaha - 4.4203 Points
                        46. Merrimack - 4.4007 Points
                        47. Mercyhurst - 3.7808 Points
                        48. Alaska - 3.424 Points
                        49. Minnesota State - 3.3837 Points
                        50. Massachusetts - 3.3269 Points
                        51. Alabama Huntsville - 2.3369 Points
                        52. Army - 1.6095 Points
                        53. Canisius - 0.5775 Points
                        54. Connecticut - 0.224 Points
                        55. Sacred Heart - 0.1629 Points
                        56. AIC - 0.0317 Points
                        57. Robert Morris - 0.0276 Points
                        58. Penn State - 0.0267 Points
                        59. Bentley - 0.0252 Points
                        North Dakota
                        National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                        • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                          So, there are the rankings. I always like to see what can change depending on next season, and here are how I see potential moves...

                          1. Michigan - The Wolverines have a nearly 44 point barrier between them and North Dakota. That means that Michigan will almost certainly be the #1 team next season, barring one of the great seasons in college hockey history by North Dakota. Even then, the Wolverines would likely need to have another season similar to this past year.

                          2-3. North Dakota/Minnesota - North Dakota has a strong, but not insurmountable lead on the Gophers. A Gopher national championship next year, coupled with North Dakota not making a decent run (read: Regional Final or Better), would likely vault Minnesota into 2nd position. Nobody can really challenge Minnesota for third, as the Gophers have a 61 point lead on DU.

                          4-7. Denver/BC/BU/Wisconsin - The difference between 4 through 7 is less than 10 points, which means that if any of the teams in this group win the title, they will be 4th, regardless of what any of the others do. On the flip side, any of these programs could finish 7th depending on what they and the rest do. If none of these teams win the title (or make a title run), then it is probably more realistic to group these teams into 4/5(DU/BC) and 6/7 (BU/UW). Each of those pairings could flip quite easily if one squad has a strong season with an NCAA Tournament birth and the other in the pairing does not. Ultimately, there could be some movement here.

                          8. Michigan State - The Spartans are assured of finishing 8th next season. They are about 110 points behind 7th, and 64 points ahead of 9th. Basically, it's probably going to be awhile before Michigan State goes anywhere in the rankings.

                          9-13. Maine/Tech/Cornell/LSSU/CC - Maine has a pretty good grasp on the 9th spot, unless one of the rest of the group makes a title run, or a runner up finish. It is possible that Michigan Tech could catch Maine with a Frozen Four and the right results elsewhere. As for the 10th position, Michigan Tech is in jeopardy of falling out. If Cornell rebounds with a strong season and an NCAA Tournament birth, Michigan Tech could slip out of the top 10. Moreover, if LSSU or CC make a run to the Frozen Four next season, Tech could easily slip down to the 13th position. This is a group where we could see some movement.

                          14-15. Harvard/Clarkson - Less than a point separate these programs, so a strong season by Clarkson and a weak season by Harvard could be all it takes to swap these two squads. Also, if either of these squads wins a national title next season, it is likely that they would jump all the way to #10. Anything less though, and these squads are staying in this grouping unless...

                          16-17. Duluth/RPI - Duluth is pretty strong at 16 for now, as they have about an 8 point lead on RPI. However, if RPI has a great season next year, coupled with a Frozen Four birth, they could very well move up over Duluth. Both teams could jump up in the Standings as well with a national title. For Duluth, that would likely wind up with the Bulldogs in 13th. For RPI, that would likely mean that the Engineers would jump up to 14th.

                          18-20. UNH/NMU/BGSU - This group is only separated by 2 points, so there could easily be some movement here. If any of these teams win a national title, they will move up over Duluth and RPI and into the 16 position, but unlikely to go any higher. Moreover, if a team from the group behind them wins a title, everyone here could drop a spot.

                          21-22. Yale/SLU - These squads are separated by only 3 points, so they could easily swap next season if the results are right. If Yale were to repeat, they would likely move up to the 16 position, while if SLU were to capture their first title, they would likely move up to the 17 position, although the 16 position could be possible. The only way this group would be caught and move down would be if one of the teams close behind them were to win the national title.

                          As for the rest of the rankings, they can all change pretty fluidly. Use the following averages as sort of a guidepost to see how the rankings could change:

                          Season ends with
                          - National Championship - ~40 points
                          - National Runner-up - ~20 points
                          - Frozen Four Birth - ~8 points
                          - Regional Finalist - ~5 points
                          - NCAA Tournament Birth - ~2 points
                          - .500 record - ~1/2 point
                          - Less than 10 wins ~ (-)1/2 point

                          Obviously, if a team wins their conference tournament and regular season title along with a variety of other things that too can alter how many points a team will receive. Moreover, we saw this year how a program winning their first title can affect the rankings.

                          Anyway, if anyone has any questions, I'll gladly answer them as best I can. Otherwise, I hope everyone enjoyed the unveiling of this year's rankings.
                          North Dakota
                          National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                          • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                            Thanks for a lot of work, FS. My only complaint is that you neglected to say that but for a lot of bad officiating North Dakota would have been #1.

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                            • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                              Originally posted by burd View Post
                              Thanks for a lot of work, FS. My only complaint is that you neglected to say that but for a lot of bad officiating North Dakota would have been #1.
                              I just assumed that this is common knowledge.
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                              • Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

                                Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                                I just assumed that this is common knowledge.
                                And you are probably right, with the exception of those living in the darkness of the Empire.

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