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Originally posted by beaverhockeyfan View PostIt won't be too much of a change for BSU as they had to forfeit their share of the WCHA Playoff Revenues as part of their admit agreement. Convienent how that agreement runs out right at the time the other teams bolt........MTU Hockey fan since I was carried to a game in 1986 - for those counting... that's a lot of depressing hockey. Still love it.
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Originally posted by Almington View PostI still think that the "value" of the exemption to the schools that remain in the WCHA is significantly overestimated.Originally posted by davyd83 View PostActually that value is even greater now, with a few schools making two trips. That will allow more non conference games, meaning you can generate more revenue by playing at home, or take "money" games. With the loss of Final Five revenue by the old WCHA school, any opportunity to generate more revenue is critical.
'10-'11 - 2 home (vs. NMU), 4 road (@ Mariucci Classic, @ UAH)
'11-'12 - 4 home (vs. UAH, vs. BGSU), 4 road (@ Miami, @ LSSU) - Alaska exemption year
'12-'13 - 4 home (vs. LSSU, vs. WMU), 2 road (Dartmouth Tourney)
Compare to, say, UMinn:
'09-'10 - 6 home (vs. BSU, Mariucci Classic, vs. Harvard), 2 road (College Hockey Showcase) - Alaska exemption year
'10-'11 - 6 home (vs. UMass, College Hockey Showcase, Mariucci Classic), 0 road
'11-'12 - 6 home (vs. Sacred Heart, vs. Vermont, Mariucci Classic), 2 road (@ Mich State) - Alaska exemption year
'12-'13 * - 6 home (Mich State, Mariucci Classic, Notre Dame), 2 road (@ Vermont) - Alaska exemption year **
So, to the "average" team, it's not that big a deal. For the Minnesota's of the world (with their huge $$$ made at home games), it's a BIG deal, allowing them to maintain their 6 home OOC games, while hitting the road for their "required" CHS games in the past.
* rumored schedule
** funny how UMinn gets the Alaska exemption almost every year, no?Current NCAA D-I rinks I've been to:
AHA:
B1G: UMich, MSU, UMinn, Notre Dame, OSU, UWisc
CCHA: BSU, BG, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU
ECAC:
HEA: UMass
NCHC: Miami, UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
Independant: ASU
Inactive: UAH, ASU, BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame
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Originally posted by moose97 View PostWell, let's look at BSU - an "average" WCHA team. They will have had 3 seasons in the WCHA by the time of all this upheaval. Compare OOC games year to year:
'10-'11 - 2 home (vs. NMU), 4 road (@ Mariucci Classic, @ UAH)
'11-'12 - 4 home (vs. UAH, vs. BGSU), 4 road (@ Miami, @ LSSU) - Alaska exemption year
'12-'13 - 4 home (vs. LSSU, vs. WMU), 2 road (Dartmouth Tourney)
Compare to, say, UMinn:
'09-'10 - 6 home (vs. BSU, Mariucci Classic, vs. Harvard), 2 road (College Hockey Showcase) - Alaska exemption year
'10-'11 - 6 home (vs. UMass, College Hockey Showcase, Mariucci Classic), 0 road
'11-'12 - 6 home (vs. Sacred Heart, vs. Vermont, Mariucci Classic), 2 road (@ Mich State) - Alaska exemption year
'12-'13 * - 6 home (Mich State, Mariucci Classic, Notre Dame), 2 road (@ Vermont) - Alaska exemption year **
So, to the "average" team, it's not that big a deal. For the Minnesota's of the world (with their huge $$$ made at home games), it's a BIG deal, allowing them to maintain their 6 home OOC games, while hitting the road for their "required" CHS games in the past.
* rumored schedule
** funny how UMinn gets the Alaska exemption almost every year, no?Michigan Tech Legend, Founder of Mitch's Misfits, Co-Founder of Tech Hockey Guide, and Creator/Host of the Chasing MacNaughton Podcast covering MTU Hockey and the WCHA.
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Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Postin the current system, you should get it every other year plus one more in 6 years for a total of 4 in 6...Current NCAA D-I rinks I've been to:
AHA:
B1G: UMich, MSU, UMinn, Notre Dame, OSU, UWisc
CCHA: BSU, BG, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU
ECAC:
HEA: UMass
NCHC: Miami, UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
Independant: ASU
Inactive: UAH, ASU, BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame
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Originally posted by moose97 View PostWell, sure, but as noted by my BSU example, it's all about getting those "extra" games at home. BSU had 4 home OOC games with the exemption, and has ... 4 without it. In the nWCHA, will they be able to get 6 OOC home games 4 out of 6 years? And if they do, will those 3 opponents be UMinn, UMD and UND (with the DQ Cup on the road)? Maybe, but doubtful (at least all of them at home is doubtful). A more realistic possibility is UND home & home, UMD home & home (which may be optimistic with the DQ cup), DQ cup and maybe get say, Mercyhurst (just to throw a random team out there). Compared to those two years with no exemption, when the schedule doesn't let them bring in (insert random no-name team), is the Alaska exemption a huge deal to BSU? Eh, maybe...
And second lets assume that 70% of the time you get either two home games, ( vs Mercyhurst for instance) or two games with a payoff vs a Big ten team. I assume you make more money at home but for the average team I'd guess they make more money at the big ten.MTU: Three time NCAA champions.
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Originally posted by moose97 View PostWell, sure, but as noted by my BSU example, it's all about getting those "extra" games at home. BSU had 4 home OOC games with the exemption, and has ... 4 without it. In the nWCHA, will they be able to get 6 OOC home games 4 out of 6 years? And if they do, will those 3 opponents be UMinn, UMD and UND (with the DQ Cup on the road)? Maybe, but doubtful (at least all of them at home is doubtful). A more realistic possibility is UND home & home, UMD home & home (which may be optimistic with the DQ cup), DQ cup and maybe get say, Mercyhurst (just to throw a random team out there). Compared to those two years with no exemption, when the schedule doesn't let them bring in (insert random no-name team), is the Alaska exemption a huge deal to BSU? Eh, maybe...
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Originally posted by Almington View PostSo, a team making 2 trips to AK might clear an additional $100k or so to help cover other expenses, while that money will help balance the books it is far from a massive windfall that will make all the schools automatically profitable.
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Originally posted by Freddie View PostIf I'm not mistaken, the Alaska exemption only applies to ONE trip per season."The use of common sense and logic will not be tolerated and may result in fine and/or suspension."- Western Professional Hockey League By-laws. 1999-2000.
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Originally posted by Freddie View PostIf I'm not mistaken, the Alaska exemption only applies to ONE trip per season.Michigan Tech Legend, Founder of Mitch's Misfits, Co-Founder of Tech Hockey Guide, and Creator/Host of the Chasing MacNaughton Podcast covering MTU Hockey and the WCHA.
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Originally posted by uaafanblog View PostWhich happens to be about the same amount (maybe more) as the Final Five check that every WCHA non-big 10 school's AD has embraced and promoted as very important to their program. So then yeah ... the Alaska exemptions are overvalued in exactly the same way as Final Five revenue. Right?
The value is also going to fluctuate on a school-by-school basis if the assumptions that would even hold: Ticket prices of $15 and attendance of 2500/game would yield $25k/game after expenses. If the trip to AK costs $5k more than a standard roadtrip (because of the duration) even after a travel subsidy, you are down to $20k per game.
The issue is that the teams that will remain in the WCHA will have lower attendance and ticket prices than the teams in the B10 or NCHC and that will limit the value of the exemption compared to what those schools could bring in with 2 or 3 times the attendance at up to 2x the ticket prices for home games.
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Originally posted by Almington View Post$100k in a $2.0 to 2.5 million dollar budget is 5% or less than the total budget. Important yes but it is also not as consistent as the WCHA playoff disbursement from year to year.
The value is also going to fluctuate on a school-by-school basis if the assumptions that would even hold: Ticket prices of $15 and attendance of 2500/game would yield $25k/game after expenses. If the trip to AK costs $5k more than a standard roadtrip (because of the duration) even after a travel subsidy, you are down to $20k per game.
The issue is that the teams that will remain in the WCHA will have lower attendance and ticket prices than the teams in the B10 or NCHC and that will limit the value of the exemption compared to what those schools could bring in with 2 or 3 times the attendance at up to 2x the ticket prices for home games.
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Originally posted by Almington View Post$100k in a $2.0 to 2.5 million dollar budget is 5% or less than the total budget. Important yes but it is also not as consistent as the WCHA playoff disbursement from year to year.
The value is also going to fluctuate on a school-by-school basis if the assumptions that would even hold: Ticket prices of $15 and attendance of 2500/game would yield $25k/game after expenses. If the trip to AK costs $5k more than a standard roadtrip (because of the duration) even after a travel subsidy, you are down to $20k per game.
The issue is that the teams that will remain in the WCHA will have lower attendance and ticket prices than the teams in the B10 or NCHC and that will limit the value of the exemption compared to what those schools could bring in with 2 or 3 times the attendance at up to 2x the ticket prices for home games.
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Originally posted by davyd83 View PostWho has $2-2.5 million in their budget? Only one new WCHA school spent over $2m in 2010 (UAF). Six of the nine schools had budgets of less than $1.5 million, with the average for the conference at around $1.4 million.
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