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Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)
Originally posted by moose97 View PostAs I said earlier, I don't see why you couldn't have every school block off rooms before the season, then release the rooms when it becomes clear that said school isn't going to host (say, when the school is mathematically eliminated from the regular season title).Mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Originally posted by Bale View Post... Like I said though, I fully admit I don't know what the situation is in other towns.
I really can't see how hosting at the rink of the league champion is a good idea. It just seems like a step backwards for the WCHA.“Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”
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Originally posted by aparch View PostIt just seems like a step backwards for the WCHA.My guy is a hard-nosed hockey player who is not afraid to crash the net. Your guy is a goon who runs the goalie.
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Originally posted by aparch View PostI know in Marquette hosts an annual car show, and I think the UP Builders Show at the Superior Dome during the playoffs. While this doesn't affect the Berry, it does affect hotel accommodations in the area.
I really can't see how hosting at the rink of the league champion is a good idea. It just seems like a step backwards for the WCHA.
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Originally posted by aparch View PostI know in Marquette hosts an annual car show, and I think the UP Builders Show at the Superior Dome during the playoffs. While this doesn't affect the Berry, it does affect hotel accommodations in the area.
I really can't see how hosting at the rink of the league champion is a good idea. It just seems like a step backwards for the WCHA.
I agree with MavsFan though, we've already taken a step backwards. We don't have the luxury of worrying about the perception compared to other conferences fans. We have to worry abotu what makes the most sense for us. We don't have a model to copy due to how spread out the conference is. We have to make the model and it's probably going to be trial-and-error. That's not to say that holding it at the league champion is the best option, I don't know what the income statement will look like in any scenario. I just don't think that the league can eliminate any option until looking at the financial implications.Mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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From the CCHA at JLA (20,066): Friday - 7,823 (39.0%); Saturday - 10,421 (52.0%)
From Hockey East at TD Garden (17,565): Friday - 13,974 (79.6%); Saturday - 13,079 (74.5%)
From the ECAC at Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, NJ (10,500): Friday - 3,462 (33.0%); Saturday - 4,131 (39.4%)
From Atlantic Hockey at Blue Cross Arena, Rochester, NY (13,000): Friday - 3,287 (25.3%); Saturday - 2,433 (18.7%)
Ignoring the WCHA at Xcel because they individually ticket all games.
Average of All (minus WCHA) Friday Semi-Final Championship games: 28,546/61,131 = 46.7%
Average of All (minus WCHA) Saturday Championship (and third place) games: 30,064/61,131 = 49.2%
Obviously leagues like the AHA and ECAC seem to make an AHL rink work for them with a continued lack of attendance. Why should the New WCHA not do the same if those "lesser" leagues are obviously making it work? Why all of a sudden should we rewind the WCHA to pre-1987?“Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”
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And, for kicks, here's the seating capacities of all the New WCHA member schools:
University of Alaska Anchorage - Sullivan Arena - 6,251
University of Alaska Fairbanks - Carlson Center - 4,595
Bemidji State University - Sanford Center - 4,700
Minnesota State University, Mankato - Verizon Wireless Center - 5,280
Michigan Tech University - John J. MacInnes Ice Arena - 4,200
Northern Michigan University - Berry Events Center - 4,300
Lake Superior State University - Taffy Abel Arena - 4,000
Ferris State University -Dumby BarnRobert L. Ewigleben Ice Arena - 2,493
Bowling Green State University - BGSU Ice Arena - 5,000
And for posterity, University of Alabama, Huntsville - Von Braun Center - 6,602
With rinks like this, the league CANNOT draw more than 5,000 people to a theoretical regular season Champ hosted Championship playoff game.“Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”
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Originally posted by giwan View PostReally? The hotels book up for a builder and car show?"The use of common sense and logic will not be tolerated and may result in fine and/or suspension."- Western Professional Hockey League By-laws. 1999-2000.
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Originally posted by davyd83 View PostNo the vendors that that come from Houghton, Iron Mountain, Escanaba, Newberry and many other points to fill up 100,000 square feet of display space sleep in their cars. Same with the visitors from various areas.
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Originally posted by aparch View PostFrom the CCHA at JLA (20,066): Friday - 7,823 (39.0%); Saturday - 10,421 (52.0%)
From Hockey East at TD Garden (17,565): Friday - 13,974 (79.6%); Saturday - 13,079 (74.5%)
From the ECAC at Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, NJ (10,500): Friday - 3,462 (33.0%); Saturday - 4,131 (39.4%)
From Atlantic Hockey at Blue Cross Arena, Rochester, NY (13,000): Friday - 3,287 (25.3%); Saturday - 2,433 (18.7%)
Ignoring the WCHA at Xcel because they individually ticket all games.
Average of All (minus WCHA) Friday Semi-Final Championship games: 28,546/61,131 = 46.7%
Average of All (minus WCHA) Saturday Championship (and third place) games: 30,064/61,131 = 49.2%
Obviously leagues like the AHA and ECAC seem to make an AHL rink work for them with a continued lack of attendance. Why should the New WCHA not do the same if those "lesser" leagues are obviously making it work? Why all of a sudden should we rewind the WCHA to pre-1987?
I look at the Minnesota HS Hockey Tourney as a good example. For Class AA (large schools), the Xcel works perfectly, as the championship game sells out every year. The Class A tourney, on the other hand, might be better off at Mariucci, as they play before a half empty building. God forbid we bring up the girl's A or AA - they should be in Ridder Arena the crowds are so small. But - all end up at the X, and the experience suffers greatly. Bottom line - put your even in the "right" sized rink, then grow when it's warranted.Current NCAA D-I rinks I've been to:
AHA:
B1G: UMich, MSU, UMinn, Notre Dame, OSU, UWisc
CCHA: BSU, BG, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU
ECAC:
HEA: UMass
NCHC: Miami, UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
Independant: ASU
Inactive: UAH, ASU, BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame
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Originally posted by aparch View PostAnd, for kicks, here's the seating capacities of all the New WCHA member schools:
University of Alaska Anchorage - Sullivan Arena - 6,251
University of Alaska Fairbanks - Carlson Center - 4,595
Bemidji State University - Sanford Center - 4,700
Minnesota State University, Mankato - Verizon Wireless Center - 5,280
Michigan Tech University - John J. MacInnes Ice Arena - 4,200
Northern Michigan University - Berry Events Center - 4,300
Lake Superior State University - Taffy Abel Arena - 4,000
Ferris State University -Dumby BarnRobert L. Ewigleben Ice Arena - 2,493
Bowling Green State University - BGSU Ice Arena - 5,000
And for posterity, University of Alabama, Huntsville - Von Braun Center - 6,602
With rinks like this, the league CANNOT draw more than 5,000 people to a theoretical regular season Champ hosted Championship playoff game.Mess with the bull, you get the horns.
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Originally posted by bigblue_dl View PostI don't know where you've been the last forever, but RPI is a member of the EZAC.
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Originally posted by moose97 View PostIf you call 20-40% capacity, "working for them," then okay. I'd rather see a good crowd (i.e. a full building) than something half empty or worse.
ECAC
Times Union Center, Albany, NY (14,236)
2004 - Friday - 5,641 (39.6%); Saturday - 6,489 (45.6%)
2005 - Friday - 7,580 (53.2%); Saturday - 8,637 (60.7%)
2006 - Friday - 6,255 (43.9%); Saturday - 7,093 (49.8%)
2007 - Friday - 4,484 (31.5%); Saturday - 5,565 (39.1%)
2008 - Friday - 5,074 (35.6%); Saturday - 4,851 (34.1%)
2009 - Friday - 3,517 (24.7%); Saturday - 4,857 (34.1%)
2010 - Friday - 0 (0.0%); Saturday - 6,505 (45.7%) @
Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, NJ (10,500)
2011 - Friday - 3,351 (23.5%); Saturday - 4,126 (29.0%)
2012 - Friday - 3,462 (33.0%); Saturday - 4,131 (39.4%)
2013 - Future, but committed to this arena.
Atlantic Hockey
Tate Rink, West Point, NY (2,648) #
2004 - Friday - 842 (31.8%); Saturday - 1,428 (53.9%)
Northford Ice Pavilion, Northford, CT (1,000) $
2005 - Friday - 1,000 (100%); Saturday - 1,000 (100%)
Hart Center, Worcester, MA (1,600) $
2006 - Friday - 2,000 (125%); Saturday - 2,000 (125%)
Blue Cross Arena, Rochester, NY (13,000)
2007 - Friday - 780 (6.0%); Saturday - 713 (5.5%)
2008 - Friday - 1,430 (11.0%); Saturday - 3,933 (30.3%); Sunday 1,468 (11.3%) &
2009 - Friday - 2,555 (19.7%); Saturday - 827 (6.4%)
2010 - Friday - 1,803 (13.9%); Saturday - 3,298 (25.4%)
2011 - Friday - 2,230 (17.2%); Saturday - 3,400 (26.2%)
2012 - Friday - 3,287 (25.3%); Saturday - 2,433 (18.7%)
@ - No attendance listed for either of Friday's games on Collegehockeystats.net
# - Hosted by Army
$ - Played at Regular Season Champ's Rink
& - Atlantic Hockey played a Final Five / Three day series“Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”
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I will agree Moose that a full building would be nice, but at what cost should that happen? How marketable is it for the WCHA to rotate amongst the league or let the league champ host? I can't imagine crowning the league champion in scenic Big Rapids, MI in front of a potential 2,500 people (realistically, 1,300) would be worth it to the league.
A lot of sponsorship dollars can be tied to a central venue, which can make it profitable even with a lack of attendance.“Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”
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