Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[chickod]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I'm not saying Parker could have forced him to get help. What I've said is he could have forced him to get help IF he wanted to continue playing at BU. This is not semantics. They are two entirely different scenarios. That's all I'm presenting. The second Trivino told Parker he didn't think he needed help, Parker could have said well you're not playing another game for me until you do.

Yes, and MY assertion is that it would not have made a difference. You make it sound as though Trivino didn't really think that Parker would do it. Read the article in today's Globe:

“I tried to get him to get some help,’’ said Parker. “I tried to get him to talk to some people regarding an alcohol problem. He wouldn’t do it, he didn’t think he had an alcohol problem.’’ Parker said he told Trivino he had a problem but Trivino disagreed.“ [I said] One of us is going to be right,’’’ said Parker. “I’m betting you’re going to be sitting in front of me before the semester is over and I’m going to be telling you, ‘You’re out of here.’ ’’

I understand that you feel incredulous, so there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, except to say that I don't agree. A friend of mine went to the eye doctor and was told that his pressure was so high that if he didn't have immediate surgery he could go blind. My friend's response was, "So what? If I go blind, I go blind." Was the doctor supposed to go ahead and do the surgery without the patient's consent?

There's only so far one can go. If Parker had thrown him off the team BEFORE he actually committed a violation, I can only imagine the number of people who would have been screaming "He didn't DO anything!!??!?!??!?!?"

[Humanoid]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

WOW! I'm impressed. Did you learn that today right in between gym class and recess?

Actually I learned it in a BC creative writing class.

[Humanoid]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Not that this makes any sense, but I didn't expect an intelligent retort from you. You surely didn't disappoint.

You're quite welcome. I won't keep you from your pipe smoking and New Yorker magazine in that elite room in whatever place you're sitting. It's the one that smells of rich mahogany.

Humanoid..out

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

You seem connected enough to know the actual story behind Glass, don't play dumb.

thats not my point. point was i dont believe hs at bu is scared of getting sued for taking action

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Man, I get what you're saying, but just look at brassbonanza's post a few above yours. Personally, I think it's spot on. Yes, you can believe he should have been forced to go, but just because Parker didn't doesn't make what he did wrong. A structured environment with support could have helped, it just didn't in this case. Enough with the right and wrong. It seems that the only thing that would satisfy you is if Parker did what YOU think was right.

just debating, no right or wrong in hindsight. everyone loves to get last word in, me included

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

That's a cop-out. After all, if your position is that Parker "should have" forced counseling on Trivino, but that you "can't answer" whether you'd do the same thing in similar circumstances, that is the definition of hypocritical.

Call it a cop-out...couldn't care less. Sorry I don't have all the answers for your hypotheticals.

I deal in reality.

But, since you love hypotheticals...if a BC player had three alcohol related incidents, refused seeking help at the request of York and York STILL allowed him to stay on...and then you see me support that decision. By all means, call me a hypocrite. Until then, please don't waste your breath.

Sure, it wouldn't have happened at BU, and maybe that would've been better for BU, but it appears Parker was more interested in the well-being of his player, and he made his best effort to get help for his player within his own system and his program. Was it a bit of a risk for the university? Probably. But he placed the well-being of his player ahead of a university's public image, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

And all I'm saying is people can disagree with what was done and if that was truly in the best interest of Trivino. That's all. Again, neither side is right/wrong.

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Yes, and MY assertion is that it would not have made a difference. You make it sound as though Trivino didn't really think that Parker would do it. Read the article in today's Globe:

“I tried to get him to get some help,’’ said Parker. “I tried to get him to talk to some people regarding an alcohol problem. He wouldn’t do it, he didn’t think he had an alcohol problem.’’ Parker said he told Trivino he had a problem but Trivino disagreed.“ [I said] One of us is going to be right,’’’ said Parker. “I’m betting you’re going to be sitting in front of me before the semester is over and I’m going to be telling you, ‘You’re out of here.’ ’’

I understand that you feel incredulous, so there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, except to say that I don't agree. A friend of mine went to the eye doctor and was told that his pressure was so high that if he didn't have immediate surgery he could go blind. My friend's response was, "So what? If I go blind, I go blind." Was the doctor supposed to go ahead and do the surgery without the patient's consent?

There's only so far one can go. If Parker had thrown him off the team BEFORE he actually committed a violation, I can only imagine the number of people who would have been screaming "He didn't DO anything!!??!?!??!?!?"

dont throw off, just dont dress

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Yes, and MY assertion is that it would not have made a difference.

That's fine.

You make it sound as though Trivino didn't really think that Parker would do it.

I'm not following you here...

I understand that you feel incredulous, so there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, except to say that I don't agree.

Incredulous? I'm not in disbelief about anything here. I'm not trying to change your opinion either. I've already stated that people obviously disagree. I'm certainly not being dismissive of the other side. There's no point in rehashing the different scenarios out there.

There's only so far one can go. If Parker had thrown him off the team BEFORE he actually committed a violation, I can only imagine the number of people who would have been screaming "He didn't DO anything!!??!?!??!?!?"

How does saying he should have been booted after the THIRD violation equate to before he actually committed a violation?

[joen05]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

So..... anyone making the trip out to Notre Dame? It's on Versus, so that sealed the deal for me not to go.

[Humanoid]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

That's fine.



I'm not following you here...



Incredulous? I'm not in disbelief about anything here. I'm not trying to change your opinion either. I've already stated that people obviously disagree. I'm certainly not being dismissive of the other side. There's no point in rehashing the different scenarios out there.



How does saying he should have been booted after the THIRD violation equate to before he actually committed a violation?

1) Agreements rule!

2) I think chickod makes a pretty solid statement there. it's even short so some people on this board can enjoy it. I think "Trivino didn't think Parker would do it" is pretty blatantly obvious. Next to "I think you respond to this" and "My butt is itchy." All pretty self-explanatory remarks.

3) I got nothing. I just wanted to make point 2.

4) Back to my original point - because college students drink.

[Humanoid]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

So..... anyone making the trip out to Notre Dame? It's on Versus, so that sealed the deal for me not to go.

You've gotta be kidding me.... ACTUAL hockey talk? Why would someone do such a thing right now?

[Rover]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

If Trivino didn't think he needed help, but Parker forced him to go to a program as a condition of playing for the team, what's to stop the guy from attending the meetings but continuing to drink? I doubt he was getting lit up in front of Parker in the first place. If he did get caught he could chalk it up to a temporary relapse (which often happens with alcoholics) but he's still committed to the program, blah blah blah. Again, either the adult wants to take responsibility for his own actions or he doesn't. Not much more the coach can do.

[mookie1995]

WOW! I'm impressed. Did you learn that today right in between gym class and recess?

I miss recess......

[theprofromdover]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

First of all - name me one college student that DOESNT have an alcohol problem.

Dope.

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Dope.

He's obviously exaggerating for effect, but the fact is Corey's apparent alcohol problem is FAR from being an isolated scenario on a college campus, especially among of-age seniors.