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a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.
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Originally posted by Huskies01 View Posti disagree. He was not 21 with his first incident was he? Or how about the second? The response should be, go to a class get some help and then you can play again. Not if you do it again your gone. That is coddling, we know you have problem, but we don't want to force you to do anything to get help that you do not want to do, your an important player who could play a key role down the road and we do not want you to leave. Lets close our eyes and hope it all works out, or if it blows up, hopefully you are someone elses problem at that point.
This could have been nipped in the bud alot earlier without anyone getting hurt.
And I do not give credit for not covering up. Way not to try to hide it! We are not Penn State! Please, pathetic argument avoiding the one on why he was not forced to get help to begin with.
Also, of the points which I could understand, I think I disagree with all of them.
If the drinking issue was so pervasively detrimental to his life that the kid needed help-- then I think the first people who should have noticed that are his family or friends. Not his coach. Not BU Hockey. And certainly not the University.
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux
Originally posted by Huskies01 View Posti disagree. He was not 21 with his first incident was he? Or how about the second? The response should be, go to a class get some help and then you can play again. Not if you do it again your gone. That is coddling, we know you have problem, but we don't want to force you to do anything to get help that you do not want to do, your an important player who could play a key role down the road and we do not want you to leave. Lets close our eyes and hope it all works out, or if it blows up, hopefully you are someone elses problem at that point.
This could have been nipped in the bud alot earlier without anyone getting hurt.
And I do not give credit for not covering up. Way not to try to hide it! We are not Penn State! Please, pathetic argument avoiding the one on why he was not forced to get help to begin with.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Originally posted by Jofa View PostAll I know is that over the dozen years or so there has been far too many embarassments/incidents/involuntary departures under Parkers "leadership". It would interesting to see the list hopefully someone will oblige.
1. John Sabo
2. Andy Glass
3. Corey Trivino
I'll leave Bartlett, Klema, and the rest out of it for now.Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.
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Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View PostCompare and contrast the following dismissals and non-dismissals from BU hockey:
1. John Sabo
2. Andy Glass
3. Corey Trivino
I'll leave Bartlett, Klema, and the rest out of it for now.
BU Alum '07
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Originally posted by Jofa View PostAll I know is that over the dozen years or so there has been far too many embarassments/incidents/involuntary departures under Parkers "leadership". It would interesting to see the list hopefully someone will oblige. Its got to be up there as the most in a D1 hockey program, its like the BC football/basketball of college hockey. Nice job Jack.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View PostCompare and contrast the following dismissals and non-dismissals from BU hockey:
1. John Sabo
2. Andy Glass
3. Corey Trivino
I'll leave Bartlett, Klema, and the rest out of it for now.
Glass seemed to be a team rules thing, stemmed from some miscommunication and laziness on his part, and possibly an overreaction from Parker. I'll buy that this one wasn't handled as properly as it could've been.
Trivino, cut and dry, had nothing to do with his actions on the team, on the ice, or in the locker room. Got arrested and accused of a deplorable crime, Parker probably did a quick check of the police report to get the facts, probably talked to a person or two to make sure this wasn't totally fabricated, and promptly and correctly threw him out of the program. This one was handled correctly.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Originally posted by joen05 View PostDo you mean Bennett? Just making sure, since I don't know of any incident involving a Bartlett, but it could have been before my time.
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Originally posted by Friend_of_BU_Hockey View PostIt was before your time. Russ Bartlett was a highly-skilled center who played for BU from 1997-1999. Was the 3rd leading scorer as a Sophomore on the 1998-99 team. However, he was dismissed following that season for, IIRC, "failure to live up to standards of a BU hockey player". I believe the dismissal centered around differences between Bartlett and Coach Parker regarding work ethic and level of commitment at practices, off-ice workouts, etc. Bartlett was given the opportunity to remain at BU on scholarship, but elected to transfer to St. Lawrence where he was a productive player for them from 2000-2002.
BU Alum '07
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux
Originally posted by Huskies01 View Posti disagree. He was not 21 with his first incident was he? Or how about the second? The response should be, go to a class get some help and then you can play again. Not if you do it again your gone. That is coddling, we know you have problem, but we don't want to force you to do anything to get help that you do not want to do, your an important player who could play a key role down the road and we do not want you to leave. Lets close our eyes and hope it all works out, or if it blows up, hopefully you are someone elses problem at that point.
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Originally posted by brassbonanza View PostThe comments about an alcohol problem came from a Twitter post, there is apparently a story to come, so we don't know the full extent. We don't know that he wasn't sent to some kind of alcohol consultation, as many BU students who face repeated judicial sanctions for alcohol are required to go to alcohol education classes. If you're insinuating that every time they find out that a college kid was drinking, they should immediately ban him from playing and send him to counseling, you're way out of the spectrum of reality. This is the first time the result of his drinking has lead to damage or harm to others, or himself. It's not like he got drunk and beat somebody up in the past, and they did nothing - to our knowledge. If they had knowledge that he drank a lot very frequently, that's not something they're obligated to act on, and we don't know that they didn't. I can tell you that at every university there are RA's, staff, professors, etc. who know of students who drink excessively and don't do anything.
If they know he drinks, and he has multiple incidents, then I would think trying to intervene is the right thing to do for the person. If they know he drinks, and its not an issue, its not an issue. In this case, there seems to have been known issues.
Me, its not you do it again your gone, its go get help or your gone.
Everybody ultimately is responsible for their own actions. But everybody is always talking about programs whether its football/basketball/hockey on how it makes boys men, and teaches them life lessons. Until something like this happens and then that turns into the coach is not the players mommy. You cannot have it both ways.
Again, I cannot give credit to the coach here for kicking him off the team and not covering it up, that is just doing the right thing. I would like to let the story play out before I start sending out kudos for a job well done by Parker here though. Feels to me like he knew there was a possible problem and did the bare minimum for the kid.DogHouse Graduate 2001
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So it was 4 strikes and you're out for Trivino.
And the penalty got lesser from one case to the next in one instance.
Interesting.Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.
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Seems like no one has seen this yet...Parker's reactions to the whole situation via Boston Hockey Blog phone interview:
http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2...-leave-no.htmlLast edited by Kdog41109; 12-13-2011, 02:34 PM.
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux
Originally posted by Huskies01 View PostWait. Why? Was this such a tough decision to make here? We now congratulate people for doing the right thing? Weak.
But I have some questions here for coach Parker. So, you know this student athlete has had problems with drinking before, and in fact, is on warning that if he screws up again, he is booted off the team. When he was made aware of this, was he asked/forced to take a class or two on the dangers of drinking, or something along those lines? Did you perhaps after the first issue, get in touch with his parents and ask, as politely as possible, is there a family history with alcohol abuse, I only ask because we have had a few issues with your son in his short time here, and we would love to get him help so he can continue on with a promising hockey career? And, not as important but, reporters are now saying that coach Parker said it was easy for him to let Corey go because he was on warning. So wait, if he wasn't, he would still be a member of the squad pending charges against him, or the decision would have been tougher?
To me, it seems like this kid has a problem, and was left to hang out to dry by his coach and the university.
I write this pending more information coming out on what might have been done to help this kid after his previous issues. But please, lets not congratulate the coach here for "doing the right thing." The right thing would have been to get him help in the first place so this issue does not happen. Not leave the choice in the hand of a kid who has already proved he cannot handle making the right decision.
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