Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[quiddlet]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

If one withdraws before flunking out does one flunk out?

The bomb just went boom.

[mookie1995]

Parker can't say he would have been academically ineligible? You see that exact phrase constantly come up in hoops/football.

Sure. But did he stop with "trivino was arrested on a charge of attempted rape and some nighttime b&e. Reports include that he was drunk. I told him in September that if he had any alcohol related event going forward he would be removed from the team. He was removed this morning."

No "another incident". No "I told him he had a problem". How I presented it was factual and middle of the road.

If he starts with "academic" how long until ****** comes out?

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Again, nobody's saying the team is better off without him. That designation is reserved for players like John Sabo. What I am saying is given what he was actually producing, not what he hypothetically would have put up in later years, he's not a big loss and it will have little impact on how the team would have finished with him vs without him. First, a guy putting up 10 points in his place wouldn't be that far off of Coyle's pace this year (13 points at the break). Second, to qualify as a "huge loss" shouldn't the guy be putting up big numbers (as a forward)? If every 20 point scorer is a "huge loss" what happens if we lose a 40 or 50 point scorer early. We're going to run out of adjectives (cataclysmic loss, apocalyptic loss, what?).

If there's one thing that bothers me above all else out of my fellow fans its the deflation of standards for what is considered good hockey around here when a recruit doesn't pan out. How about calling it as we see it. Nothing Coyle did tells me he was going to be anything but a 20 point, barely if even 10 goal a year scorer. What exactly are we giving up here?

seeing that he is a 92 birthyear(Merrimack haS 7+ 90 BIRTHYEAR FRESHMAN) AND HIS upside over next 2 1/2 seasons was huge. He is an 18/19 year old sophmore. getting better every dau

Brock Bradford went from 18-45 points
J Hayes 13-36
B Smith, 19-50-37
C Atkinson 19-52 from fresh to jr year
Kreider went from 23 points in 40 games to 23 pts so far in 18 games

a fool would think coyle has stagnated

[candycanes99]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Again, nobody's saying the team is better off without him. That designation is reserved for players like John Sabo. What I am saying is given what he was actually producing, not what he hypothetically would have put up in later years, he's not a big loss and it will have little impact on how the team would have finished with him vs without him.

Fair enough. I saw this as being his last season no matter what; whether the NHL teams need them or not, they drag their 1st round picks out of NCAA after two years max generally anymore. Not all the time, but probably in this case. I wouldn't absolve the Wild of having a place in this decision either.

Coyle's 14 points in 16 games is not an awful pace. No, it's not elite stuff, but it's a top 6 forward, and difficult to replace halfway through a season. When we lose a 50 pt guy like Colin Wilson early but at the end of a season, we have more options in bringing in recruits a year early potentially. Except for rare cases, that doesn't happen at winter break. It's a blow.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

If one withdraws before flunking out does one flunk out?

Someone get Chris Bourque on the phone ASAP.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

seeing that he is a 92 birthyear(Merrimack haS 7+ 90 BIRTHYEAR FRESHMAN) AND HIS upside over next 2 1/2 seasons was huge. He is an 18/19 year old sophmore. getting better every dau

Brock Bradford went from 18-45 points
J Hayes 13-36
B Smith, 19-50-37
C Atkinson 19-52 from fresh to jr year
Kreider went from 23 points in 40 games to 23 pts so far in 18 games

a fool would think coyle has stagnated

Well done. It's even more of an issue with guys that are big like Coyle. They take some time to really get going at the D1 level. Still learning how to use their size, filling out even more, etc.

[claver2010]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Well done. It's even more of an issue with guy's that are big like Coyle. They take some time to really get going at the D1 level. Still learning how to use their size, filling out even more, etc.

Which is why I said BC fans are way too hard on Kevin Hayes, point wise he's ahead of where Jimmy was but that's for another thread.

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Someone get Chris Bourque on the phone ASAP.

Make the call!

Im sure he nos how to work his fone.

[mookie1995]

Which is why I said BC fans are way too hard on Kevin Hayes, point wise he's ahead of where Jimmy was but that's for another thread.

I try to exhibit the same patience with defenseman. The fact is if you are good on defense and 18 or 19 they have a special name and place for you.... For example "Chris pronger" and "NHL blue line". Other at that young age who have less skill need seasoning and will make mistakes. So the bar is lower for the guys we have on defense and you have to accept times of trouble.

Hard to do.... But I try

[Rover]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

seeing that he is a 92 birthyear(Merrimack haS 7+ 90 BIRTHYEAR FRESHMAN) AND HIS upside over next 2 1/2 seasons was huge. He is an 18/19 year old sophmore. getting better every dau

Brock Bradford went from 18-45 points
J Hayes 13-36
B Smith, 19-50-37
C Atkinson 19-52 from fresh to jr year
Kreider went from 23 points in 40 games to 23 pts so far in 18 games

a fool would think coyle has stagnated

Only a bigger fool would try to equate the experience of BC players to BU as a proxy for Coyle's supposed development. If both schools' experiences were the same, we wouldn't be the ones gong to one FF in the last 14 years.

candycanes, its a fair point about this happening mid year as opposed to a year end departure.

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Only a bigger fool would try to equate the experience of BC players to BU as a proxy for Coyle's supposed development. If both schools' experiences were the same, we wouldn't be the ones gong to one FF in the last 14 years.

candycanes, its a fair point about this happening mid year as opposed to a year end departure.

175 BU examples as well....

Rick Meagher from 40 to 80 pts
Tom Oregan 24 frsh year to 52 jr
Clark Donatelli 35 to 62 in 2 years
Even his cousin Tony tacked on 30 from fresh to soph

only the biggest fool would think he hit his stride

McEachern tacked on close to 40 pts

our old pal jay pandolfo went from 17 goals to 38 goals. he also came in as a 17 year old

[DaveStPaul]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

So mook, anything good on TV tonight?

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Hokydad, what was your role in this Milbury assault incident?

[steakbomb]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Hopefully he was the assault-ee!

[Bumbles]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Man, at some pt you just have to laugh. Thank god we all have lives outside of BU hockey (i think?..)