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  • WIrinkrat
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by JB View Post
    I appreciate the optimism, but who is going to put the puck in the net?

    It is that skill that is missing from this team that concerns me.

    I think the rest will be pretty good and I think the grit will carry over.
    Thompson had a whopping 10 goals in his first 2 years in Durham, including 4 in his sophomore season before netting 19 and 28 in his final 2 years.

    Butler had 9-14-9 in his first 3 seasons before scoring 29 in his senior campaign.

    Sislo had 3 goals as a freshman before scoring 19-14-15 in his final three seasons.

    Fornataro and Radja had 12 and 17 points in their sophomore seasons respectively...Fornataro's total that season being 1 less than the Freshman total of vaunted offensive powerhouse Thomas Fortney.

    Saviano had 1 point in his freshman season and only played about 15 games.

    There are obviously several other examples as well.

    Point being guys emerge at different points in time in their careers, and every single year there are guys that come into their own and carry a bigger load than they have in the past (in some cases...MUCH bigger)

    I'd be concerned if all I saw were 3rd/4th line types...solid role players who are what they are and don't have a high offensive ceiling...but the reality is that there are several players on this team with very good offensive upside who took big steps this season and *should* continue to build upon that improvement next season. Sorkin for instance was +30 in the points department from Fr year to So year. You can attribute some of that to the fact that this wasn't a deep team and he got to play on the first line....you can also argue that in years past UNH had 2nd lines that were every bit as talented if not moreso than this year's top line. Regardless, I don't know when the last time this was done (maybe C. Hemingway?)...quickly going back 10 years or so the closest I saw was Winnik who was a +26.

    Is it a guarantee? Of course not...but you have to admit it's encouraging that for once UNH was playing better hockey at the end of the year than for the first 3/4 of the season...and that is in large part to the growth of many young players on this team who, outside of Moses, really carried the team at the end of the year.

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  • JB
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by Nifty16 View Post
    First 2 I would say are Downing and Sorking, the Speelman and Burke, hopeing Henrion finds the scoring touch again. Then my surpsie guy to step it up next year will be Willows.
    Downing I could go with, the rest, well I hope you are right. Hopefully at least 1 or 2 of them shoot the 100+ pucks a day all summer to make there shots enough better to become goal scorers.

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  • Nifty16
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by JB View Post
    I appreciate the optimism, but who is going to put the puck in the net?

    It is that skill that is missing from this team that concerns me.

    I think the rest will be pretty good and I think the grit will carry over.
    First 2 I would say are Downing and Sorking, the Speelman and Burke, hopeing Henrion finds the scoring touch again. Then my surpsie guy to step it up next year will be Willows.

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  • JB
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by Nifty16 View Post
    I agree with you 100%, I like what I see for next year and have to disagree with Watcher on this one. I like what I say in the growth in the defense, should be a great strength next year, not worried about the net either with DeSmith. I think next years will be won and lost in the Junior and Sophmore class, and hopefully forcing the Seniors to bring it up a notch. If Burke stays healthy he will be fine. Henrion needs to find his way and with a healthy Speelman will have some solid depth. So I am not looking at where the incoming freshman were in scoring in their leagues, I am looking for the way they improve once in Durham, and if they are like the last couple freshman classes they should improve over the season. Sure would be great to have all the guys we lost, but nothing can do about it now, and I am more focused on what we have then what we don't at this moment. I dont see next years team going to the bottom and fighting for home ice and an NCAA spot.
    I appreciate the optimism, but who is going to put the puck in the net?

    It is that skill that is missing from this team that concerns me.

    I think the rest will be pretty good and I think the grit will carry over.

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  • Nifty16
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
    Agree with all but your gut feeling about someone leaving. Certainly hope you end up wrong about that one!

    Also I actually thought by the end of the year (granted I did not see every game) UNH's best and most consistent all around players were in no particular order DeSmith, Sorkin, Goumas, Downing, Moses and Van Riemsdyk. Thought all of those guys were really of about equal value down the stretch and at times they all brought their games to very, very high levels. Will be nice to have (hopefully) two more years with five of those guys in the lineup where they can hopefully find the consistency to keep their games at an elevated level for an entire season. Also thought Burke played very, very well down the stretch. Hopefully he can get a whole year of good health in 12-13. Having big strong guys like him Thrush, and Sorkin is critical to UNH's ability to create opportunities off the cycle in the offensive zone...and it certainly helps that they can both skate and play the transition game too.

    The good news is that on paper I think UNH should be a home ice team again next season (guess Watcher and I disagree about this). If Downing and TVR stick around for a full career (perhaps a big if, I know) I think they'll be the best 4 year guys at UNH at their respective positions since Haydar and Stafford. They've got a lot of talent returning (and more importantly, improving). Getting a healthy Speelman back will help, and hopefully Henrion can break out of his season long funk and turn into the real scoring threat he should have become this season.

    Several of the other young guys should take another step forward next year too...I think Knodel took a pretty big step (no pun intended) from the start of the season to the end, and I think a guy like Thrush could be on a 20pt-30pt-40pt kind of trajectory over the next 3 seasons.

    Certainly a lot of positives to take out of the last 6 weeks of the season, even though the consistency and the results weren't always there.
    I agree with you 100%, I like what I see for next year and have to disagree with Watcher on this one. I like what I say in the growth in the defense, should be a great strength next year, not worried about the net either with DeSmith. I think next years will be won and lost in the Junior and Sophmore class, and hopefully forcing the Seniors to bring it up a notch. If Burke stays healthy he will be fine. Henrion needs to find his way and with a healthy Speelman will have some solid depth. So I am not looking at where the incoming freshman were in scoring in their leagues, I am looking for the way they improve once in Durham, and if they are like the last couple freshman classes they should improve over the season. Sure would be great to have all the guys we lost, but nothing can do about it now, and I am more focused on what we have then what we don't at this moment. I dont see next years team going to the bottom and fighting for home ice and an NCAA spot.

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  • JB
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    Finally, JB, how can your forget that the last first time NCAA winner was just this past year, UMD?
    Crap! the point is still the same just a little less powerful when there are factual issues. It was 19 years (or is it 18)

    The current issue is talent and the management of those who are coming to the team. The current program of attempting to stock pile talent is clearly not working. This requires a direction change and if Borek is not capable then that issue must be corrected. Unfortunately this need to be a several year process so it needs to start now. Based on the time line this actually could be the start of Umile's end. Can he survive 2+ years while the team finds the bottom?

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  • GoUNH
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    ****, couldn't have said any of this better myself. You can probably leave poor Goldie alone now though. It might even be Mr. Agosta himself.



    Sleazy? LOL. Mr. Agosta introduced it to everyone around him and clearly wanted people to know. That ain't my problem. He is biased against Umile because his son didn't get any PT last year. He made it perfectly clear.
    His son wasnt ready last year. He wasnt ready at the beginning of this season, thus adding to the beginning of the season defensive lapses. He has come along nicely and is solid at this point.

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  • WIrinkrat
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by Saetia22 View Post
    This is a big issue (obviously)... this will be two years in a row that the freshmen defensemen didn't play a game. It's a disturbing trend. If Pesce isn't playing 20+ games next year, I'd consider it a waste
    (unless there was a fear of him decommitting) .. my worry is he'll fall victim to this new trend. Why did we only dress 5 defensemen when Hardowa and Kipp were out?
    As I mentioned a few months ago "Why recruit kids you won't even dress in dire circumstances".

    I am anxious for next year. I really like what I saw out of Sorkin and Goumas, and it'll be nice to return our second best players as only Jrs. I have a strange feeling that someone will leave early.. I know there are no hints to this -- its just a feeling.

    I was pleased with how our Seniors played down the stretch. They'll be missed.
    Agree with all but your gut feeling about someone leaving. Certainly hope you end up wrong about that one!

    Also I actually thought by the end of the year (granted I did not see every game) UNH's best and most consistent all around players were in no particular order DeSmith, Sorkin, Goumas, Downing, Moses and Van Riemsdyk. Thought all of those guys were really of about equal value down the stretch and at times they all brought their games to very, very high levels. Will be nice to have (hopefully) two more years with five of those guys in the lineup where they can hopefully find the consistency to keep their games at an elevated level for an entire season. Also thought Burke played very, very well down the stretch. Hopefully he can get a whole year of good health in 12-13. Having big strong guys like him Thrush, and Sorkin is critical to UNH's ability to create opportunities off the cycle in the offensive zone...and it certainly helps that they can both skate and play the transition game too.

    The good news is that on paper I think UNH should be a home ice team again next season (guess Watcher and I disagree about this). If Downing and TVR stick around for a full career (perhaps a big if, I know) I think they'll be the best 4 year guys at UNH at their respective positions since Haydar and Stafford. They've got a lot of talent returning (and more importantly, improving). Getting a healthy Speelman back will help, and hopefully Henrion can break out of his season long funk and turn into the real scoring threat he should have become this season.

    Several of the other young guys should take another step forward next year too...I think Knodel took a pretty big step (no pun intended) from the start of the season to the end, and I think a guy like Thrush could be on a 20pt-30pt-40pt kind of trajectory over the next 3 seasons.

    Certainly a lot of positives to take out of the last 6 weeks of the season, even though the consistency and the results weren't always there.
    Last edited by WIrinkrat; 03-12-2012, 08:14 PM.

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  • Saetia22
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by NCAA watcher
    Can we reframe the issue why Umile has recruited four defenseman on the team who couldn't play as freshmen (Knodel, Agosta, Chevrier, Randall), leaving aside the question why Umile concluded Joey Laleggia, the WCHA Rookie of the Year and 1st team all-star wasn't ready (who outscored every player on UNH this year).
    This is a big issue (obviously)... this will be two years in a row that the freshmen defensemen didn't play a game. It's a disturbing trend. If Pesce isn't playing 20+ games next year, I'd consider it a waste
    (unless there was a fear of him decommitting) .. my worry is he'll fall victim to this new trend. Why did we only dress 5 defensemen when Hardowa and Kipp were out?
    As I mentioned a few months ago "Why recruit kids you won't even dress in dire circumstances".

    I am anxious for next year. I really like what I saw out of Sorkin and Goumas, and it'll be nice to return our second best players as only Jrs. I have a strange feeling that someone will leave early.. I know there are no hints to this -- its just a feeling.

    I was pleased with how our Seniors played down the stretch. They'll be missed.

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  • Gibber
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcatsg

    Originally posted by jb View Post
    at the end of the day for me with umile it is, be careful what you wish for. When was the last 1st time champ? I think maine 92-93.
    2011 umd?

    edit: oops Greg beat me to it
    Last edited by Gibber; 03-12-2012, 07:29 PM.

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  • Greg Ambrose
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    Few points. First on a parent complaining about the coach. Geez, I've never heard that one before. It happens from Little League on up. I can guarantee you that as long as Umile has been coach, going back to when he was at Watertown HS, there have been parents who thought their kid deserved more playing time, or that he was too tough on him, or he was unfair. The farther up the food chain you go in organized sports, the less the coach is going to listen to that stuff. Any UNH parent is entitled to his or her opinion, and I can remember a dustup that was featured prominently in this forum several years ago where a parent came on, used his name and basically embarrassed his son. Bottom line, parents can complain all they want but Umile (and any other coach for that matter) has a job to do. He is going to put out a squad that he feels gives him the best chance to win.

    Second, it's a canard that UNH fails because they play on the big sheet. First, less than half their games are played on the Olympic sheet. Their style of play is predicated on transition and speed, something that had in spades for most of this past weekend on a smaller sheet. I can agree that when they play at Merrimack now, not during their decade long dominance of the Warriors, they have trouble. But that has more to do with the better talent Merrimack has now than the fact that UNH can't skate there. They did win and tie down there this year btw. Bottom line is that UNH's successs since they moved to the Whitt has not been hindered by playing on a big sheet. Failures have had more to do with personnel not playing up to their potential, questionable coaching decisions and, of course, the talent of the teams they are playing against.

    As for the games this past weekend, and especially the game last night, I came away with a "will vs. skill" mentality. Just like Friday night, BU played liked dogs for the first half of yesterday's game, mostly because UNH was outskating them and beating them to most of the pucks. After Borisenok's goal, Jack obviously gave them a tongue lashing which the team responded to. Let's face it, even missing three guys, BU's overall personnel is better than UNH's. It's the reason they had beaten UNH by a combined 15-2 or whatever during the season and it was why they're going to the NCAA's and UNH is not. So when they scored two quick ones, then tied it up in the third, it wasn't shocking. I have to give UNH credit for holding on in the third, then having a bunch of chances in the first OT. I just wish the more talented teams of the recent past (think Radja and Fornataro in the '08 playoffs or Sean Collins and Brett Hemingway before then) would have played so hard. I just hope that this grit carries over. Is it really too much to ask?

    Finally, JB, how can your forget that the last first time NCAA winner was just this past year, UMD?

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  • Rover
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    Originally posted by Onion Man View Post
    Almost as bad as a college hockey coach who tells the media that his 21 year old player who got arrested was an alcoholic.
    It was public knowledge that Trivino had been in trouble for boozing multiple times before and he was in the news. This guys father is not so only an idiot would see a connection. Are you and JD dating?

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  • J.D.
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    Re: 2011-2012 UNH Wildcats

    Originally posted by Goldie
    J.D.ope Did Mr. Agosta ask you to speak for him??? Didn't think so. Keep your opinions to your self. None of your business.
    Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
    So JD should keep his opinions to himself (though they weren't really his opinions, aside from possibly why the parent was unhappy) because it's none of his business...even though we are on a message board where we debate pretty much nothing but opinion all day long...but it's cool for a parent to voice his opinions about the coaching staff to anyone within earshot at a hockey game with thousands of fans.

    Or, perhaps a better lesson is that if you don't want your opinions getting brought out on the internet, keep them to yourself rather than spouting off in a public venue.
    Originally posted by Goldie
    what happens in the locker room should stay in the locker room and what's said in the stands should stay in the stands. Don't be an a## and report every little conversation you eavesdrop on. Be an adult.
    Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
    In a locker room amongst your team members? Sure. At home amongst your family? Absolutely.

    In the stands of a sporting event amongst thousands of strangers? Watch what you say unless you want it to possibly get put out there for people to see. You don't have to agree with it, and that's fine..it's probably not something I'd have put out there either, but at the same time there is absolutely no expectation of privacy in that kind of a situation and if you're "being an adult" you should understand that you need to be careful in those situations.
    ****, couldn't have said any of this better myself. You can probably leave poor Goldie alone now though. It might even be Mr. Agosta himself.

    Originally posted by Rover View Post
    I'm with Goldie on this one. Its pretty sleazy to post the guy's name. A simple "I was sitting next to a parent who wasn't happy with Umile" gets the point across.
    Sleazy? LOL. Mr. Agosta introduced it to everyone around him and clearly wanted people to know. That ain't my problem. He is biased against Umile because his son didn't get any PT last year. He made it perfectly clear.

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  • Onion Man
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    Originally posted by Rover View Post
    I'm with Goldie on this one. Its pretty sleazy to post the guy's name. A simple "I was sitting next to a parent who wasn't happy with Umile" gets the point across.
    Almost as bad as a college hockey coach who tells the media that his 21 year old player who got arrested was an alcoholic.

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  • Onion Man
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    Originally posted by Goldie
    what happens in the locker room should stay in the locker room and what's said in the stands should stay in the stands. Don't be an a## and report every little conversation you eavesdrop on. Be an adult.
    Wow, who brought the cool kid...

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