2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

[quiddlet]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Wow, how often does a team get about 1/4 of the first place votes and end up 8th? There are some pretty wildly differing approaches to casting a ballot in that poll.

BU's first place votes are absolutely shocking.... someone is drinking a whole lot of the kool aid.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Mack is not deep but extremely talented.
Look for them to now be a permanent fixture in the league's top 6.
They recruit very well.

A) They don't recruit very well. They recruit overage kids that are just ok at hockey because they have to.
B) If Merrimack was extremely talented, they would become a fixture in the PWR top 6 not just HE top 6.
C) Look for Merrimack to be ok, not as good as last year.

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

1. Denver
2. Boston
3. Colorado College
4. Boston College
5. Michigan
6. Notre Dame
7. North Dakota
8. Nebraska-Omaha
9. Miami
10. Minnesota-Duluth

Is Denver really that good that they are ranked higher than the Stanley Cup champions? I mean, they lost maybe Michael Ryder and not much else. Recchi retired. But they brought just about everyone else back.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Thanks to those of you who checked out the Weekly Power Rankings.

Also, College Hockey Weekly has put up their 2011-2012 Season Preview, along with preseason Frozen Four picks.

http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com

Enjoy!

[MCgrad07]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Here is my preseason top 10
1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Boston College
4. Colorado College
5. Miami (OH)
6. Yale
7. Boston University
8. Minnesota Duluth
9. Michigan
10. North Dakota

I would like to be part of this panal and can be one of your eastern reps. I am a Merrimack college alum and season ticket holder. I also plan on going to about 5 road games and seeing them play Vermont, northeastern, u mass Lowell, Colgate and St. Lawrence in the tournament up at Dartmouth. I have been to the regional about five times in Worcester, hockey east finals four times and the beanpot three times.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Here is my preseason top 10
1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Boston College
4. Colorado College
5. Miami (OH)
6. Yale
7. Boston University
8. Minnesota Duluth
9. Michigan
10. North Dakota

I would like to be part of this panal and can be one of your eastern reps. I am a Merrimack college alum and season ticket holder. I also plan on going to about 5 road games and seeing them play Vermont, northeastern, u mass Lowell, Colgate and St. Lawrence in the tournament up at Dartmouth. I have been to the regional about five times in Worcester, hockey east finals four times and the beanpot three times.

Awesome. I'll be posting a weekly thread starting the first week of October for you to vote in, so just find that thread (will be labeled something along the lines of "2011-2012 Week 1 Rankings") and vote. I'll typically post the thread on Saturday, and voting will need to be in by Monday.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

The WCHA, Hockey East and Atlantic Hockey have released their preseason polls, so I thought I would include them here.

WCHA
41st annual Herald poll
(first-place votes in parentheses)
1. Denver (7) 115
2. UND (4) 110
3. Colorado College (1) 105
4. Nebraska-Omaha 89
5. Minn.-Duluth 75
6. Minnesota 74
7. St. Cloud State 61
8. Wisconsin 54
9. Alaska-Anchorage 36
10. Bemidji State 30
11. MSU-Mankato 29
12. Michigan Tech 14

Hockey East
1. Boston College (7) 88
2. Boston University (3) 83
3. New Hampshire 72
4. Maine 64
5. Merrimack 61
6. Vermont 44
7. Massachusetts 42
8. Northeastern 33
9. UMass Lowell 27
10. Providence 26

Atlantic Hockey
1. RIT (113 points, five first-place votes)
2. Air Force (112, 5)
3. Holy Cross (103, 2)
4. Niagara (89)
5. Connecticut (79)
6. Robert Morris (70)
7. Mercyhurst (59)
8. Army (51)
9. Canisius (42)
10. Bentley (41)
11. Sacred Heart (20)
12. American International (13)

[Osorojo]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

How well have USCHO's pre-season top DI picks predicted the final standings over the last decade or so?

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

And the ECAC has released their media and coaches polls...

The polls
(First-place votes in parentheses)
Coaches
1. Yale (9) 117 points
2. Union (2) 107
3. Cornell 97
4. RPI 281
5 Dartmouth 76
6. Quinnipiac (1) 70
7. Harvard 65
8. Princeton 51
9. St. Lawrence 45
10. Colgate 31
11. Clarkson 28
12. Brown 22

Media
1. Yale (23) 432 points
2. Union (11) 397
3. Cornell (3) 356.
4 Dartmouth (1) 308
5. RPI 281
6. Quinnipiac 239
7. Princeton 205
8. St. Lawrence 173
9. Clarkson 164
10. Colgate 152
11. Brown 134
12. Harvard 129

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

How well have USCHO's pre-season top DI picks predicted the final standings over the last decade or so?

Not very well. I'll post a historical look here in a few minutes.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

2010-2011 Preseason Top 10:
1. Boston College (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
2. North Dakota (#1 Seed, National Semifinalist)
3. Miami (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
4. St. Cloud State (Did not make tournament)
5. Michigan (National Runner Up)
6. Yale (#1 Seed, Regional Finalist)
7. Maine (Did not make tournament)
8. Minnesota Duluth (National Champion)
9. Denver (Regional Finalist)
10. New Hampshire (Regional Finalist)

Notre Dame was ranked 17th

2009-2010 Preseason Top 10
1. Denver (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
2. Boston University (Did not make tournament)
3. Michigan (Regional Finalist)
4. Miami (#1 Seed, National Semifinalist)
5. Notre Dame (Did not make tournament)
6. North Dakota (Regional Semifinalist)
7. Cornell (Regional Semifinalist)
8. Yale (Regional Finalist)
9. Minnesota (Did not make tournament)
10. Princeton (Did not make tournament)

Boston College was ranked #12, Wisconsin #13 and RIT was unranked with 10 votes (29th overall)

2008-2009 Preseason Top 10
1. Boston College (Did not make tournament)
2. Michigan (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
3. Colorado College (Did not make tournament)
4. Notre Dame (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
5. North Dakota (Regional Semifinalist)
6. Denver (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
7. New Hampshire (Regional Finalist)
8. Miami (National Runner-up)
9. Boston University (#1 Seed, National Champion)
10. Minnesota (Did not make tournament)

Vermont was ranked #20, Bemidji State was unranked with 2 votes (36th overall)

2007-2008 Preseason Top 10
1. North Dakota (#1 Seed, National Semifinalist)
2. Boston College (National Champion)
3. Michigan State (Regional Finalist)
4. Miami (#1 Seed, Regional Finalist)
5. Minnesota (Regional Semifinalist)
6. New Hampshire (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
7. Clarkson (Regional Finalist)
8. Notre Dame (National Runner-up)
9. Boston University (Did not make tournament)
10. Michigan (#1 Seed, National Semifinalist)

2006-2007 Preseason Top 10
1. Wisconsin (Did not make tournament)
1. Boston College (National Runner-up)
3. Minnesota (#1 Seed, Regional Finalist)
4. Boston University (Regional Semifinalist)
5. Michigan State (National Champion)
6. North Dakota (National Semifinalist)
7. Michigan (Regional Semifinalist)
8. Miami (Regional Finalist)
9. Denver (Did not make tournament)
10. New Hampshire (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)

Maine was ranked #11

2005-2006 Preseason Top 10
1. Denver (Did not make tournament)
2. Minnesota (#1 Seed, Regional Semifinalist)
3. Boston College (National Runner-up)
4. Cornell (Regional Finalist)
5. Ohio State (Did not make tournament)
6. Colorado College (Regional Semifinalist)
7. North Dakota (National Semifinalist)
8. Michigan (Regional Semifinalist)
9. New Hampshire (Regional Semifinalist)
10. Wisconsin (#1 Seed, National Champion)

Maine was ranked #11

2004-2005 Preseason Top 10
1. Michigan (Regional Finalist)
2. Maine (Regional Semifinalist)
3. Boston College (#1 Seed, Regional Finalist)
4. Minnesota-Duluth (Did not make tournament)
5. North Dakota (National Runner-up)
6. Minnesota (#1 Seed, National Semifinalist)
7. Denver (#1 Seed, National Champion)
8. Wisconsin (Regional Semifinalist)
9. Michigan State (Did not make tournament)
10. New Hampshire (Regional Finalist)

Colorado College was #14

2003-2004 Preseason Top 10
1. Minnesota (#1 Seed, Regional Finalist)
2. Michigan (Regional Finalist)
3. Boston College (#1 Seed, National Semifinalist)
4. New Hampshire (Regional Semifinalist)
5. North Dakota (#1 Seed, Regional Finalist)
6. Boston University (Did not make tournament)
7. Harvard (Regional Semifinalist)
8. Ferris State (Did not make tournament)
9. Cornell (Did not make tournament)
10. Michigan State (Regional Semifinalist)

Maine was ranked #12, Denver #13, and Minnesota Duluth #15

2002-2003 Preseason Top 10
1. Minnesota (#1 Seed, National Champion)
2. Denver (Did not make tournament)
3. Michigan (National Semifinalist)
4. New Hampshire (#1 Seed, National Runner-up)
5. Boston University (Regional Finalist)
6. Maine (Regional Semifinalist)
7. Michigan State (Did not make tournament)
8. Cornell (#1 Seed, National Semifinalist)
9. Boston College (Regional Finalist)
10. Colorado College (#1 Seed, Regional Finalist)

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Here's another way to look at it...

#1 Seed: (10 Teams due to tie in '06-'07)
Best Finish: National Champion (Minnesota '02-'03)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (3 times)
Mode Finish: Did not make tournament and Regional Semifinalist (3 times each)
Mean Finish: 8.49

#2 Seed: (8 Teams due to tie in '06-'07)
Best Finish: National Champion (Boston College '07-'08)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (2 times)
Mode Finish: Regional Semifinalist (3 times)
Mean Finish: 8.74

#3 Seed: (all the rest have 9 teams each)
Best Finish: National Runner-up (Boston College '05-'06)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (Colorado College '08-'09)
Mode Finish: Regional Finalist (4 times)
Mean Finish: 6.0

#4 Seed:
Best Finish: National Runner-up (New Hampshire '02-'03)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (2 times)
Mode Finish: Regional Semifinalist (3 times)
Mean Finish: 8.44

#5 Seed:
Best Finish: National Champion (Michigan State '06-'07)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (2 times)
Mode Finish: Regional Finalist, Regional Semifinalist, National Runner-up, Did Not make tournament (2 times each)
Mean Finish: 7.44

#6 Seed:
Best Finish: National Semifinalist (Minnesota '04-'05, North Dakota '06-'07)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (Boston University '03-'04)
Mode Finish: Regional Semifinalist (5 times)
Mean Finish: 8.11

#7 Seed:
Best Finish: National Champion (Denver '04-'05)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (2 times)
Mode Finish: Regional Semifinalist (3 times)
Mean Finish: 8.33

#8 Seed:
Best Finish: National Champion (Minnesota Duluth '10-'11)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (Ferris State '03-'04)
Mode Finish: Regional Finalist and National Runner-up (2 times each)
Mean Finish: 5.88

#9 Seed:
Best Finish: National Champion (Boston University '08-'09)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (5 times)
Mode Finish: Did not make tournament (5 times)
Mean Finish: 11.66

#10 Seed:
Best Finish: National Champion (Wisconsin '05-'06)
Worst Finish: Did not make tournament (2 times)
Mode Finish: Regional Finalist (3 times)
Mean Finish: 7.88

Outside of Top 10:
2 National Champions
2 National Runner-ups
8 National Semifinalists

What that tells me?
Most likely (~78% chance) that the National Champion is ranked in the preseason top 10
At least 1 Frozen Four participant is not ranked in the preseason top 10
At least 2 teams in the preseason top 10 will not make the tournament

[Osorojo]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Wow. Thank you for a definitive response.

[darker98]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

Wow. Thank you for a definitive response.

This guy will always give you one.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: 2011-2012 NCAA Preseason Rankings

College Hockey Weekly has put together their "Team of the Week" for the preseason. It is their predictions for Preseason All-Americans. Take a look!

http://collegehockeyweekly.com/Team-of-the-Week.html