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  • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

    has Chris Bradley suddenly turned into a scoring D-man? He scored a goal again tonight...http://ushl2011.stats.pointstreak.co...gameid=1660208....Devito was scoreless.
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    • Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
      That problem potentially arises every time that a coach leaves now.
      That was my point, but the scenario is getting worse every year. 5-10 years ago most teams had at most one or two players recruited more than a year ahead and a significant percentage, had none. For axample, when Seth was hired in the spring of '06 the only commitment we had beyond the upcoming season was Joel Malchuk. Now, we already have 5 in January and there are other schools that have twice as many. Some have effectively filled their 2013 slots and are heavily working 2014 and beyond. Changing coaches could have a detrimental recruiting impact for 2-3 years.

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      • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

        On Sunday, the Youngstown Phantoms lost to the Chicago Steel 8-6. Chris Bradley scored a powerplay goal. Jimmy DeVito had no points or penalties. http://ushl.stats.pointstreak.com/bo...gameid=1660208

        Bradley's line is now 29-5-6-11-8.
        DeVito's line is now 32-4-10-14-69.

        What suddenly happened to Bradley?
        Last edited by Ralph Baer; 01-23-2012, 02:29 AM.
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        • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

          Code:
          23 Riley Bourbonnais   LC Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) 2012  08/08/93 5'10" 191 Rochester, NY        27-10- 8- 18- 10 01/27/12 #824
          12 Miloš Bubela        RC Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)  12/13 08/25/92 6'02" 186 Banska Bystrica SVK   3- 1- 1-  2-  0 01/27/12 #826
           3 Chris Bradley *     LD Youngstown Phantoms (USHL)      2012  05/20/93 6'04" 190 Williamsville NY     29- 5- 6- 11-  8 01/26/12 #843
          12 Jimmy DeVito        RW Chicago Steel (USHL)            2013  04/02/94 5'11" 165 Bloomingdale IL      32- 4-10- 14- 69 01/27/12 #843
          22 Charles Manley      LD Selects Hockey Academy U16      2014  07/16/96 5'08" 150 Orchard Park NY       0- 0- 0-  0-  0 01/25/12 no stats
          27 Drew Melanson       LW Delbarton School (Gordon Conf)  13/14 01/10/95 5'11" 145 Paramus NJ           12- 8-18- 26-  x 01/24/12 #801
          26 Mark Miller *        F Omaha Lancers (USHL)            2012  07/26/92 5'11" 180 Massena NY           33- 5- 1-  6- 17 01/27/12 #825
          11 Jake Wood           LW Junior Bobcats U-18 Elite       2013  08/06/93 5'08" 170 Georgetown ON        17- 4- 5-  9-  0 season over, incomplete
          23                        Gunnery School (NEPSHC)                                                       13- 5-14- 19-  x 01/23/12 #805 missing games
                                  					                   total                30- 9-19- 28-  x
          15 Mike Zalewski *     LW Vernon Vipers (BCHL)            2012  08/18/92 6'03" 205 New Hartford NY      41-22-28- 50- 57 01/27/12 #829
          33 Jason Kasdorf        G Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)    2012  05/18/92 6'03" 190 Winnipeg MB      24-10-10-2-3.19-.903 01/27/12 #827
          
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          24 Brandi Banks *       D Stoney Creek Sabres (PWHL)      2012  05/11/94 5'08" 140 Burlington ON        22- 1-12- 13- 14 01/27/12
          xx Jennifer Godin *     D Tabor Academy                   2012  02/09/94 x'xx' xxx Clarence Center NY    0- 0- 0-  0-  0 02/01/12 no stats
          14                        Massachusetts Spitfires U19 Major (NEGHL)                                     15- 2- 1-  3-16.5 season over, incomplete
                                                                                             total                15- 2- 1-  3-16.5
           3 Alexa Gruschow       F Washington Pride (JWHL)         2012  04/16/94 x'xx" xxx Mechanicsburg PA     41-30-43- 73- 68 01/28/12 
          10 Lauren Wash *        F New Jersey Rockets U19          2012  06/24/94 5'04" 115 Belle Mead NJ         0- 0- 0-  0-  0 02/04/12 no stats
          
          * In the RPI directory
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          • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

            Originally posted by rpi82 View Post
            That was my point, but the scenario is getting worse every year. 5-10 years ago most teams had at most one or two players recruited more than a year ahead and a significant percentage, had none. For axample, when Seth was hired in the spring of '06 the only commitment we had beyond the upcoming season was Joel Malchuk. Now, we already have 5 in January and there are other schools that have twice as many. Some have effectively filled their 2013 slots and are heavily working 2014 and beyond. Changing coaches could have a detrimental recruiting impact for 2-3 years.
            I realize that the situation has been getting worse with schools recruiting players not in high school yet. I do have to mention that Fridgen was not receiving commitments in advance near as much as other coaches of his time. With most others we would have had more than one advance recruit when SA took over.
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              Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
              On Sunday, the Youngstown Phantoms lost to the Chicago Steel 8-6. Chris Bradley scored a powerplay goal. Jimmy DeVito had no points or penalties. http://ushl.stats.pointstreak.com/bo...gameid=1660208

              Bradley's line is now 29-5-6-11-8.
              DeVito's line is now 32-4-10-14-69.

              What suddenly happened to Bradley?
              Perhaps it is a virus?
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              • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

                Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                I realize that the situation has been getting worse with schools recruiting players not in high school yet. I do have to mention that Fridgen was not receiving commitments in advance near as much as other coaches of his time. With most others we would have had more than one advance recruit when SA took over.
                It's true that Fridge was very late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him. At this point in the '05-'06 season (Fridgen's last), ECAC teams had just 5 players committed for '07 (source: Heisenberg's '07 class list commit dates). That compares with over 50 on Heisenberg's latest list for '13 and after. Even by the time Seth was hired in mid-April of '06 there were only 18 commits** for '07. By mid-April this year several teams will probably be focused on '14 and after as they will be almost done for '13.

                Admittedly the ECAC was later to the party of recruiting players several years ahead of enrollment, but the numbers above are emblematic of the major shift in recruiting in the last 5-10 years. There will certainly be coaches that are surprisingly successful or unsuccessful using inherited players or recruits, but a coach being hired today really won't have majority of his own recruits on the ice until at least his fourth year and often later. That definitely complicates firing, hiring and performance evaluation decisions.


                ** It was a nicely even distribution - 3 schools each with 0, 1, 2 and 3 '07 recruits by 4/19/06.
                Last edited by rpi82; 01-23-2012, 08:57 AM.

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                • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

                  Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
                  Perhaps it is a virus?
                  Can we get it to infect the current RPI team?
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                    Originally posted by rpi82 View Post
                    It's true that Fridge was late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him. At this point in the '05-'06 season (Fridgen's last), ECAC teams had just 5 players committed for '07 (source: Heisenberg's '07 class list commit dates). That compares with over 50 on Heisenberg's latest list for '13 and after. Even by the time Seth was hired in mid-April of '06 there were only 18 commits** for '07. By mid-April this year several teams will probably be focused on '14 and after as they will be almost done for '13.

                    Admittedly the ECAC was later to the party of recruiting players several years ahead of enrollment, but the numbers above are emblematic of the major shift in recruiting in the last 5-10 years. There will certainly be coaches that are surprisingly successful or unsuccessful using inherited players or recruits, but a coach being hired today really won't have majority of his own recruits on the ice until at least his fourth year and often later. That definitely complicates firing, hiring and performance evaluation decisions.


                    ** It was a nicely even distribution - 3 schools each with 0, 1, 2 and 3 '07 recruits by 4/19/06.
                    We aren't far away from being done with 2013 except on D. Assuming that Kasdorf is coming, we will probably get a walkon for #3 goalie when Merriam leaves. On D we are losing Bailen then and Bergin either this fall or in 2013. Leonard is one replacement, and we will need one or two more. This year we are lsoing 5 forwards and next year 3 more. Zalewski, Miller, Bourbonnais, and perhaps Wood for this seaon, but we could stop with 4, although it seems we will try to get one more. The following year Bubela (who may come this fall), DeVito, and Wood, and perhaps also Melanson. I again suspect we want one more.
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                    • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

                      Originally posted by rpi82 View Post
                      It's true that Fridge was very late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him.
                      I believe this was strategic as opposed to being late. I do remember that some of his best recruits were late commits.

                      I also see this as a double edged sword. For example, there are early commits from various programs who spend more time than originally planned playing an extra year or two of junior hockey due to a lack of developing to projected potential.
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                        Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
                        Perhaps it is a virus?
                        Maybe the flu?

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                          Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                          we will probably get a walkon for #3 goalie when Merriam leaves. On D we are losing Bailen then and eBergin either this fall or in 1913.
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                            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                            tLodge was right! RFAlph IS a robot! And he still suffers from Y2K syndrome!
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                              Originally posted by sk8tronthepond View Post
                              I believe this was strategic as opposed to being late. I do remember that some of his best recruits were late commits.

                              I also see this as a double edged sword. For example, there are early commits from various programs who spend more time than originally planned playing an extra year or two of junior hockey due to a lack of developing to projected potential.
                              Let's face it, a lot of the best recruits are snapped up early. Clearly some of thosse turn out not to be so good, and some that are passed on early get better, but most of the blue chippers are recognized severl eyars befor college.
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                              • Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

                                Interesting to note also the difficulty of determining which "child prodigies" are simply players who peak earlier in life - especially prevalent in soccer. Freddy Adu was supposed to be the player who put American soccer on the map when he was signed to DC United at age 14. Eight years later he's a role player for an MLS team and only an occasional call-up to the national team.

                                But of course, for every Freddy Adu out there, there's also a Wayne Gretzky or Tiger Woods.
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