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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    Perhaps it is a virus?
    Maybe the flu?

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  • sk8tronthepond
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    Originally posted by rpi82 View Post
    It's true that Fridge was very late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him.
    I believe this was strategic as opposed to being late. I do remember that some of his best recruits were late commits.

    I also see this as a double edged sword. For example, there are early commits from various programs who spend more time than originally planned playing an extra year or two of junior hockey due to a lack of developing to projected potential.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by rpi82 View Post
    It's true that Fridge was late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him. At this point in the '05-'06 season (Fridgen's last), ECAC teams had just 5 players committed for '07 (source: Heisenberg's '07 class list commit dates). That compares with over 50 on Heisenberg's latest list for '13 and after. Even by the time Seth was hired in mid-April of '06 there were only 18 commits** for '07. By mid-April this year several teams will probably be focused on '14 and after as they will be almost done for '13.

    Admittedly the ECAC was later to the party of recruiting players several years ahead of enrollment, but the numbers above are emblematic of the major shift in recruiting in the last 5-10 years. There will certainly be coaches that are surprisingly successful or unsuccessful using inherited players or recruits, but a coach being hired today really won't have majority of his own recruits on the ice until at least his fourth year and often later. That definitely complicates firing, hiring and performance evaluation decisions.


    ** It was a nicely even distribution - 3 schools each with 0, 1, 2 and 3 '07 recruits by 4/19/06.
    We aren't far away from being done with 2013 except on D. Assuming that Kasdorf is coming, we will probably get a walkon for #3 goalie when Merriam leaves. On D we are losing Bailen then and Bergin either this fall or in 2013. Leonard is one replacement, and we will need one or two more. This year we are lsoing 5 forwards and next year 3 more. Zalewski, Miller, Bourbonnais, and perhaps Wood for this seaon, but we could stop with 4, although it seems we will try to get one more. The following year Bubela (who may come this fall), DeVito, and Wood, and perhaps also Melanson. I again suspect we want one more.
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 01-23-2012, 12:06 PM.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    Perhaps it is a virus?
    Can we get it to infect the current RPI team?

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  • rpi82
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    Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    I realize that the situation has been getting worse with schools recruiting players not in high school yet. I do have to mention that Fridgen was not receiving commitments in advance near as much as other coaches of his time. With most others we would have had more than one advance recruit when SA took over.
    It's true that Fridge was very late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him. At this point in the '05-'06 season (Fridgen's last), ECAC teams had just 5 players committed for '07 (source: Heisenberg's '07 class list commit dates). That compares with over 50 on Heisenberg's latest list for '13 and after. Even by the time Seth was hired in mid-April of '06 there were only 18 commits** for '07. By mid-April this year several teams will probably be focused on '14 and after as they will be almost done for '13.

    Admittedly the ECAC was later to the party of recruiting players several years ahead of enrollment, but the numbers above are emblematic of the major shift in recruiting in the last 5-10 years. There will certainly be coaches that are surprisingly successful or unsuccessful using inherited players or recruits, but a coach being hired today really won't have majority of his own recruits on the ice until at least his fourth year and often later. That definitely complicates firing, hiring and performance evaluation decisions.


    ** It was a nicely even distribution - 3 schools each with 0, 1, 2 and 3 '07 recruits by 4/19/06.
    Last edited by rpi82; 01-23-2012, 07:57 AM.

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  • DrDemento
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    Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    On Sunday, the Youngstown Phantoms lost to the Chicago Steel 8-6. Chris Bradley scored a powerplay goal. Jimmy DeVito had no points or penalties. http://ushl.stats.pointstreak.com/bo...gameid=1660208

    Bradley's line is now 29-5-6-11-8.
    DeVito's line is now 32-4-10-14-69.

    What suddenly happened to Bradley?
    Perhaps it is a virus?

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by rpi82 View Post
    That was my point, but the scenario is getting worse every year. 5-10 years ago most teams had at most one or two players recruited more than a year ahead and a significant percentage, had none. For axample, when Seth was hired in the spring of '06 the only commitment we had beyond the upcoming season was Joel Malchuk. Now, we already have 5 in January and there are other schools that have twice as many. Some have effectively filled their 2013 slots and are heavily working 2014 and beyond. Changing coaches could have a detrimental recruiting impact for 2-3 years.
    I realize that the situation has been getting worse with schools recruiting players not in high school yet. I do have to mention that Fridgen was not receiving commitments in advance near as much as other coaches of his time. With most others we would have had more than one advance recruit when SA took over.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Code:
    23 Riley Bourbonnais   LC Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) 2012  08/08/93 5'10" 191 Rochester, NY        27-10- 8- 18- 10 01/27/12 #824
    12 Miloš Bubela        RC Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)  12/13 08/25/92 6'02" 186 Banska Bystrica SVK   3- 1- 1-  2-  0 01/27/12 #826
     3 Chris Bradley *     LD Youngstown Phantoms (USHL)      2012  05/20/93 6'04" 190 Williamsville NY     29- 5- 6- 11-  8 01/26/12 #843
    12 Jimmy DeVito        RW Chicago Steel (USHL)            2013  04/02/94 5'11" 165 Bloomingdale IL      32- 4-10- 14- 69 01/27/12 #843
    22 Charles Manley      LD Selects Hockey Academy U16      2014  07/16/96 5'08" 150 Orchard Park NY       0- 0- 0-  0-  0 01/25/12 no stats
    27 Drew Melanson       LW Delbarton School (Gordon Conf)  13/14 01/10/95 5'11" 145 Paramus NJ           12- 8-18- 26-  x 01/24/12 #801
    26 Mark Miller *        F Omaha Lancers (USHL)            2012  07/26/92 5'11" 180 Massena NY           33- 5- 1-  6- 17 01/27/12 #825
    11 Jake Wood           LW Junior Bobcats U-18 Elite       2013  08/06/93 5'08" 170 Georgetown ON        17- 4- 5-  9-  0 season over, incomplete
    23                        Gunnery School (NEPSHC)                                                       13- 5-14- 19-  x 01/23/12 #805 missing games
                            					                   total                30- 9-19- 28-  x
    15 Mike Zalewski *     LW Vernon Vipers (BCHL)            2012  08/18/92 6'03" 205 New Hartford NY      41-22-28- 50- 57 01/27/12 #829
    33 Jason Kasdorf        G Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)    2012  05/18/92 6'03" 190 Winnipeg MB      24-10-10-2-3.19-.903 01/27/12 #827
    
    Women
    24 Brandi Banks *       D Stoney Creek Sabres (PWHL)      2012  05/11/94 5'08" 140 Burlington ON        22- 1-12- 13- 14 01/27/12
    xx Jennifer Godin *     D Tabor Academy                   2012  02/09/94 x'xx' xxx Clarence Center NY    0- 0- 0-  0-  0 02/01/12 no stats
    14                        Massachusetts Spitfires U19 Major (NEGHL)                                     15- 2- 1-  3-16.5 season over, incomplete
                                                                                       total                15- 2- 1-  3-16.5
     3 Alexa Gruschow       F Washington Pride (JWHL)         2012  04/16/94 x'xx" xxx Mechanicsburg PA     41-30-43- 73- 68 01/28/12 
    10 Lauren Wash *        F New Jersey Rockets U19          2012  06/24/94 5'04" 115 Belle Mead NJ         0- 0- 0-  0-  0 02/04/12 no stats
    
    * In the RPI directory
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 01-25-2012, 01:24 PM.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

    On Sunday, the Youngstown Phantoms lost to the Chicago Steel 8-6. Chris Bradley scored a powerplay goal. Jimmy DeVito had no points or penalties. http://ushl.stats.pointstreak.com/bo...gameid=1660208

    Bradley's line is now 29-5-6-11-8.
    DeVito's line is now 32-4-10-14-69.

    What suddenly happened to Bradley?
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 01-23-2012, 01:29 AM.

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  • rpi82
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    That problem potentially arises every time that a coach leaves now.
    That was my point, but the scenario is getting worse every year. 5-10 years ago most teams had at most one or two players recruited more than a year ahead and a significant percentage, had none. For axample, when Seth was hired in the spring of '06 the only commitment we had beyond the upcoming season was Joel Malchuk. Now, we already have 5 in January and there are other schools that have twice as many. Some have effectively filled their 2013 slots and are heavily working 2014 and beyond. Changing coaches could have a detrimental recruiting impact for 2-3 years.

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  • turk181
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    Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

    has Chris Bradley suddenly turned into a scoring D-man? He scored a goal again tonight...http://ushl2011.stats.pointstreak.co...gameid=1660208....Devito was scoreless.

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  • Wicked Slappaahs
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    That problem potentially arises every time that a coach leaves now.
    Absolutely RB. Anytime a coach leaves or is canned, the recruiting list is immediately at risk. (Union went through this with Leaman cherry picking a couple of U recruits to PU). Appert is adjusting to today's recruiting environment. Like it or not, that's today's landscape - at least for blue chippers.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by rpi82 View Post
    The early recruiting will also complicate matters when making coaching decisions. Does a school decide to terminate a coach knowing that it may cost them not just one recruiting class but possibly more? Not only are most schools pretty booked for '12, but a lot of the top '13 recruits are already in the can. If you lose some of your top '12 and '13 recruits, it may be impossible to replace them from the pool of remaining uncommitted prospects. Similarly, if a coach leaves voluntarily will the need to keep future recruiting classes intact encourage picking someone from the existing staff as a replacement?
    That problem potentially arises every time that a coach leaves now.

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  • rpi82
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    Re: RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    GR-This speaks for the difficult position SA is put into. He has to make commitments and decisions 3-4 years ahead and some of these kids are just so immature at that stage that it is impossible to make a valid judgement. I have 2 scouts as close firends-they are often expected to evaluate kids who are barely 12-13. I do not know how that is even possible-many of these kids are not even close to reaching bone maturity let alone strength and speed. How do you translate what you see in a 13 year old into skill level 5 -7 years later? On second thought though-i do remember being in Boston in my Residency in medicine when the talk was about this so called super young kid who was coming in a few years who would turn around the Boston Bruins fortune-I think it was some little kid name Orr, who for some reason seemed to have some sort of talent.
    The early recruiting will also complicate matters when making coaching decisions. Does a school decide to terminate a coach knowing that it may cost them not just one recruiting class but possibly more? Not only are most schools pretty booked for '12, but a lot of the top '13 recruits are already in the can. If you lose some of your top '12 and '13 recruits, it may be impossible to replace them from the pool of remaining uncommitted prospects. Similarly, if a coach leaves voluntarily will the need to keep future recruiting classes intact encourage picking someone from the existing staff as a replacement?

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  • GRussinko
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    There was a lot of uncertainty last year about who would come also. Remmebr taht I started a poll to guess who was really coming.
    SA did note that he is still probably looking to add one more for next season (after explaining it will be a smaller class due to the number of freshmen this season), but it wasn't decided yet whether that would be a new recruit, or someone already committed coming in a year sooner.

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