ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

[Ralph Baer]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

I have no actual data or inside information, but some comments that Schafer has made in the past with regard to pressure from the AD to schedule home games, etc, have led me to believe that even Cornell hockey only approximately breaks even. If that is the case, what chance do most other ECAC schools have to break even? The only others I would think might even get close would be Yale, RPI, and Clarkson, but the last two have the added expense of 18 scholarships to support, also.

No data or inside information either, but I have a hard time believing that RPI comes close to breaking even, even if scholarships aren't included. They are usually shown as breaking even when listings are posted on line, but it is always a question of what is included.

I do think that RPI (and Cornell too) would make money on men's hockey if the added income of donations by alumni and others due to hockey is quantified.

[Red Cloud]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

If the ECAC did indeed "make money" it was only because AC gave it to them.

DING DING DING DING DING! Tell him what he's won, Johnny!

[joecct]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

DING DING DING DING DING! Tell him what he's won, Johnny!

The Bob Norton hockey trivia game?

[Red Cloud]

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The Bob Norton hockey trivia game?

Shouldn't you be trying to shoe-horn RIT and an imaginary Syracuse program into the same conference?

[Jasma]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

A heard it from a reliable source and not to sound too conspiratorial I can't say who. And I believe you are correct in that it was essentially a subsidy or guaranty type of payment that led to a positive bottom line.

It had to be a guarantee. There is no other reason to move the tournament to AC. As far as LP, ORDA would probably work around the DIII event if they had a shot at the ECAC Tournament long term. They could bundle all the games into a Thursday-Sunday event.
I was in favor of the move to Albany, but that didn’t work out because the league, the building, the city and the county all quit promoting it and RPI never got there. Also, the only legitimate downtown hotel stinks.
I didn’t like the idea of Providence at first. Brown is the only ECAC team there and they are not a factor often enough and don’t draw even at home. I’m changing my tune. I think a city like Providence could work. They have done a lot of hockey events and would probably embrace the ECAC Tournament. They have some good downtown hotels and the city has made some big strides with the downtown district.
I’m becoming convinced that it doesn’t much matter where you put the tournament, the same people will come. It all depends on which teams are in the field. This league has lost its identity and there is very little fan loyalty to the ECAC. People root for their team and travel to see their team. It is a very small base of people that go to the ECACs just to go to the ECACs.

[Red Cloud]

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Also, the only legitimate downtown hotel stinks.

Which one's illegitimate, the Crowne Plaza or the Holiday Inn?

[FlagDUDE08]

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DING DING DING DING DING! Tell him what he's won, Johnny!

A new car!



Couldn't resist.

[unofan]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

Of the twelve teams in the league, I wonder how many teams actually make money for their respective institutions?

Not Dartmouth, though it essentially broke even off and on between 2003-2008 or so.

[Red Cloud]

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Couldn't resist.

Good, you've pinpointed the problem. Step two is working to eliminate it.

[Jasma]

Which one's illegitimate, the Crowne Plaza or the Holiday Inn?

Hi. No restaurant

[Red Cloud]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

Hi. No restaurant

Uh... that's a problem that can be fixed by walking about 200 feet.

[Kepler]

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Do you guys think the ECAC would go with a three city rotation of Albany, Providence and Lake Placid?

I think developing a tradition of going to a particular site adds to the experience. I hated Albany at first but it became a lot of fun after several years of finding fun things to do. So no, I do not think a rotation would be beneficial, but it's an interesting idea and thank you for suggesting it.

If the ECAC wants to try something "radical" in their tournament scheduling I would suggest either: (1) split the SF and F into best-of-three series at the top seed's buildings, or (2) hold the tournament at MSG. Otherwise, I would suggest going back to the geographically logical site, Albany.

[Kepler]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

No data or inside information either, but I have a hard time believing that RPI comes close to breaking even, even if scholarships aren't included. They are usually shown as breaking even when listings are posted on line, but it is always a question of what is included.

I do think that RPI (and Cornell too) would make money on men's hockey if the added income of donations by alumni and others due to hockey is quantified.

My understanding of the Cornell situation is it comes down to how you assign facility costs -- offloading costs for rink operations onto "common" makes hockey profitable, and it's arguably valid since the rink is also used for physical education and as a public facility. To the extent that they roll up into the hockey budget, the program becomes a money pit.

[Mike Hutter]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

Update on possible move to the Dunk - scroll down

http://www.projo.com/pc/content/Divv..._v2.96876.html

[Wholin1]

Re: ECAC Finals in Providence at the "Dunk"?

And more still....http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/...-to-providenc/