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  • #136
    Re: The end of leagues as we know?

    Originally posted by bronconick View Post
    It's live sports they can cover, pretty much like volleyball. When the national title game usually hovers between 1 and 2 million, I doubt that any regular season game even involving "name" schools is going to manage more then 500,000, which is about a 0.4. If they manage that, it's because the BTN decides to do a better job of hyping the game during other events that get higher ratings, like football and basketball. Casual fans don't really follow hockey. *shrug*
    Bingo, college hockey is not going to be bigger than it is now no matter what. This country just doesnt care to watch hockey outside of the Olympics. The sooner everyone accepts this the better.
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    • #137
      Re: The end of leagues as we know?

      Speculation sure does fill the summer months up nicely.

      I speculate that all teams outside the BTHC will fold. Because lets be honest, they have zero chance of ever competing with the B1G teams.
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      • #138
        Re: The end of leagues as we know?

        Originally posted by Jasma View Post
        If I were the AD at ND I would try to broker a deal to get into Big 10 Hockey. They may be able to do that without moving the rest of their sports from the Big East, but football is still the stickling point if that happens. Don't rule out ND and Big 10 hockey. That could still happen.
        There is no deal to be made, Notre Dame will not be even sniffed. The Big Ten has told them on multiple occasions it is all or nothing. So unless Notre Dame is willing to join for football and leave the Big East in everything else there is no reason for this even to be discussed.
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        • #139
          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          There is no deal to be made, Notre Dame will not be even sniffed. The Big Ten has told them on multiple occasions it is all or nothing. So unless Notre Dame is willing to join for football and leave the Big East in everything else there is no reason for this even to be discussed.
          Exactly! Football money is why the BTHC is so feared, and the other Big Ten schools are not going to want to let ND skate in the league and be on the BTN without them bringing in their football team.
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          • #140
            Re: The end of leagues as we know?

            I think Faison's comments, and Schlossman's article, are just angle shots by UND to negotiate the "Minnesota Rule" for UND at the Final 5 in a post Minnesota/Wisconsin WCHA.
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            • #141
              Re: The end of leagues as we know?

              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
              There is no deal to be made, Notre Dame will not be even sniffed. The Big Ten has told them on multiple occasions it is all or nothing. So unless Notre Dame is willing to join for football and leave the Big East in everything else there is no reason for this even to be discussed.
              And now with the Big 10 at, err, 12 teams, further expansion even including Notre Dame makes less sense than having 12 teams in a conference called the Big 10.
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              • #142
                Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                I think Faison's comments, and Schlossman's article, are just angle shots by UND to negotiate the "Minnesota Rule" for UND at the Final 5 in a post Minnesota/Wisconsin WCHA.
                Doubtful.

                Per Schlossman...

                "UND is having formal discussions about pulling out of the Western Collegiate Hockey Association and joining several other schools in creating a new power hockey league.

                The new league is not a done deal, but sources say that the talks have progressed beyond preliminary stages."

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                • #143
                  Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  Bingo, college hockey is not going to be bigger than it is now no matter what. This country just doesnt care to watch hockey outside of the Olympics. The sooner everyone accepts this the better.
                  The BTN needed more live programing for their brand.
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                  • #144
                    Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                    Originally posted by MavsFan View Post
                    You completely missed the main point. A WCHA consisting of Mankato, Bemidji, St. Cloud, Duluth, (and I wouldn't be surprised to see one r both of St. Cloud/Duluth go to the new conference) Tech, and Anchorage is, de facto, a D-II league. Nothing there tells casual fans "big-time college sports league."

                    That's pretty much the same schools we already play in other sports in the Northern Sun Conference. It's not only needing the gate from the games against the big schools. It's that the gate against the other schools will drop too, because the whole **** league will be seen as ho-hum.
                    I agree with MavsFan here. Speaking for myself, there is no way I continue to make the 2 hour round trip drive from the Twin Cities if we're in a 2nd rate conference. It's just not worth it....
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                    • #145
                      Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                      Originally posted by uaafanblog View Post
                      Hint-o-rama: It doesn't exist. In all likelihood it won't ever exist and should that prove wrong it most certainly won't look like it's being talked about here.

                      DG and Puck Swami are both sitting back, rubbing their hands together with delight and saying to themselves ... look what we've created. Amazing how a lawyer and a marketing/public relations grad can get some many people all atwitter by creating a rumor.
                      +1 It really makes me go hmmm..
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                      • #146
                        Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                        Originally posted by Dirty Bottles View Post
                        I agree with MavsFan here. Speaking for myself, there is no way I continue to make the 2 hour round trip drive from the Twin Cities if we're in a 2nd rate conference. It's just not worth it....
                        Jan is a 2nd rate school with a 2nd rate team and 2nd rate fans... she should fit quite nicely one would think.

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                        • #147
                          Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                          Originally posted by Dirty Bottles View Post
                          I agree with MavsFan here. Speaking for myself, there is no way I continue to make the 2 hour round trip drive from the Twin Cities if we're in a 2nd rate conference. It's just not worth it....
                          This is an interesting post. Currently, the state of Minnesota produces the most division one hockey players in the country and I think North America. IMO, no way would there be a 2nd rate conference with all the talent in the state of Minnesota. We are just going to wait and see what happens five years from now. It is going to get interesting.
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                          • #148
                            Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                            Originally posted by willythekid View Post
                            Jan is a 2nd rate school with a 2nd rate team and 2nd rate fans... she should fit quite nicely one would think.
                            And I've got nothing...except this 2nd rate response....

                            Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
                            This is an interesting post. Currently, the state of Minnesota produces the most division one hockey players in the country and I think North America. IMO, no way would there be a 2nd rate conference with all the talent in the state of Minnesota. We are just going to wait and see what happens five years from now. It is going to get interesting.
                            Perhaps you're right but it's just hard to imagine a league that doesn't have UND, Denver, CC, UM, and Wisc being even remotely as fun and competitive.
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                            • #149
                              Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                              why would any league, team or fan want all the "good" team lumped into one league and all the "bad" teams into another. it makes no sense to me.
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                              • #150
                                Re: The end of leagues as we know?

                                I think D.G. is right, I believe this has nothing to do with the Minnesota Rule, I think it's more of a business decision with like minded schools with With the same philosophy... I also think "some of this" has to do with some of the schools in the WCHA not being fond of Bruce McLeod...
                                [Faison told the Herald that he has concerns with “the administrative side of the WCHA.” So perhaps this is all a big power play.

                                But this has gone beyond the spring rumors of a “Super Six” conference. The Herald reported that, because of scheduling, all of this might have to play out by late summer or early fall.

                                Could it be the end of the WCHA as we know it?

                                If so, it would not feel fine. http://mankatofreepress.com/sports/x...tself-together
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