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The easiest way for HE to get more games with WCHA teams would be for HE to drop the total # of league games. The easiest way for this to happen would be for 2 more schools to join HE men such as UCONN for men, URI, or Syracuse. The latter 2 would have to decide to bite the bullet and start a mens team while UCONN would have to finally decide to invest in their program. IDK how much truth there is to the ND rumours but the other 3 schools mentioned would seem like the most likely schools to add programs to HE.
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Originally posted by uaafanblog View PostThis suggestion was first floated by DG and Swami TO the Denver newspaper. They started the rumor ... he reported it. Then they came back and highlighted his reporting of the rumor. Don't ever say DG doesn't watch FOX news.
And notice now how all you people are talking about it? Kevin Pates got mentally abused at the Frozen Four by this "buzz" of something that is actually NOTHING.
DG should apologize to the "journalists" for abusing them. Or perhaps these "journalists" should act like "jounalists".
I started the rumor between afternoon viewings of the Glen Beck Show and The Factor.
Then I recruited Puck Swami to also post the rumor [the so-called "Second Shooter on the Grassy Knoll."]
Mike Chambers picked up on the online chatter and posted an article in his blog.
Somehow Notre Dame caught wind of the rumor and quit the CCHA effective in 2013-14.
Then the smaller Minnesota schools let it be known that they didn't want to/couldn't afford to fly to games and opted out of the proposed Super Six Conference.
Once Scott Sandelin heard that Duluth wouldn't join the Super Six, he had his agent call Penn State.
The WCHA media guys not wanting to get left behind on the story of the decade by Mike Chambers [a.k.a. The Brad Malone Mangler], picked up on the story at the Final 5 in St. Paul.
By the Frozen Four, the story is completely out of control and schools like Clarkson, RPI, RIT, St Lawrence, Union and Colgate are firing coaches and making plans to form their own mini-conferences.Last edited by dggoddard; 04-20-2011, 05:16 PM.
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Originally posted by Ralph Baer View PostIt worked great? Then why did it stop after a few years?
SeanLast edited by Sean Pickett; 04-20-2011, 07:19 PM.
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Originally posted by davyd83 View PostThis suggestion was first floated in the Denver newspaper.
And notice now how all you people are talking about it? Kevin Pates got mentally abused at the Frozen Four by this "buzz" of something that is actually NOTHING.
DG should apologize to the "journalists" for abusing them. Or perhaps these "journalists" should act like "jounalists".Last edited by uaafanblog; 04-20-2011, 02:58 PM.
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Originally posted by Ralph Baer View PostThere is a mathematical problem with this. It can't be done the way you described with the two leagues having different numbers of teams. You are talking about a 6-team western conference and a 10-team HEA. (Correct?) The western teams would in total play 6*8=48 games vs. the HEA, while the HEA teams would play 10*8=80 games agaisnt the west. That does not compute. Each of the western teams would have to play more eastern teams than vice versa. One way would be if each HEA team played 6 western games while each western team played 10 eastern games.
The issue is that the 3 Beanpot teams currently only have 5 available non-conference games. They only way to have an interlocking schedule would be to drop HE league play to an 18 game schedule (as previously mentioned).
Sean
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Originally posted by 4four4 View PostSorry from what have been told it will not happen. If by chance things change I believe it would be great for Minnesota and Wisconsin because this way they are not under any obligation to play the newly formed ButtHurt Conference. I gurantee if the WCHA splits again without the Minnesota schools the likelyhood of a Big Ten school showing up in Colorado, Nebraska and North Dakota will be about zero. Just remember the Big Ten wants as many home games as possible.
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Originally posted by dggoddard View PostIts gonna happen, you can bet your 2002 NC Banner on it.
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Originally posted by davyd83 View PostSo the increased playoff revenue will offer Miami the extra $100,000 to make up the difference in travel costs? There are only three playoff scenarios. A six team, one site tourney, a four team, one site tourney, or #6 at #3/ #5 at #4 preliminary round on home ice, then a four team, one site tourney with those two winners taking on the top two seeds.
#6 at #3/ #5 at #4 preliminary round
#6 at #3 winner at #2 / #5 at #4 winner at #1
Winners play at higher seed to see who wins.
If you wanted to maximize revenue (and, resultantly total # of games) that is the path that you'd take.
I don't see the increase in playoff revenue either overall. From having 6 sets of first round games plus ~60k tickets sold currently in the WCHA to having 2 home playoff series and ~45k in tickets under this plan. Even curing the number of teams in half, I just don't see how this maintains the current levels of league payout. Plus, I can't see Notre Dame nor Miami really liking having the Conf. tourney at the X long term, ND got a taste of what the conference tournament would be like every year with the clearly biased crowd at the F4 this year.
I see this as just one more step down the path to losing multiple teams in the west, which I think could have a significant negative impact on college hockey as a whole.Last edited by Almington; 04-20-2011, 01:07 PM.
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Originally posted by dggoddard View PostMiami & Notre Dame will probably break even, with increased playoff revenue sharing offsetting increased travel.
TV is a factor because DU & UND have TV deals. The six teams involved will see attendance increases. They will also be able to offer recruits the opportunity to play elite competition every weekend.
The four Minnesota schools didn't want to spend the money to travel, so they opted out. Of course this was well before UMD won a NC, so perhaps that might change something.
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Originally posted by Rover View PostTo me conference realignments should make sense for the participants before I start believing in the possibility. I don't understand how an anti-Big 10 conference benefits those schools over their present situation. While the Big 10 had money as the overriding reason to form that conference, I don't see an enhanced TV deal out of this, nor a strengthening of rivalries to boost attendance. All I do see are increased travel costs as have been mentioned already as well as a lot tougher road to reach the NCAA's.
TV is a factor because DU & UND have TV deals. The five of the six teams involved will see attendance increases [UND will host more marquee games, so they will still come out ahead]. They will also be able to offer recruits the opportunity to play elite competition every weekend.
The four Minnesota schools didn't want to spend the money to travel, so they opted out. Of course this was well before UMD won a NC, so perhaps that might change something.Last edited by dggoddard; 04-20-2011, 12:46 PM.
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Originally posted by Ralph Baer View PostThere is a mathematical problem with this. It can't be done the way you described with the two leagues having different numbers of teams. You are talking about a 6-team western conference and a 10-team HEA. (Correct?) The western teams would in total play 6*8=48 games vs. the HEA, while the HEA teams would play 10*8=80 games agaisnt the west. That does not compute. Each of the western teams would have to play more eastern teams than vice versa. One way would be if each HEA team played 6 western games while each western team played 10 eastern games.
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Originally posted by Almington View PostI think that a conference of SCSU, UMD, BSU, MTU, NMU and MSUM would have some stability should an Anti-6 conference form and the political pressure inside MN might be enough to keep MN playing those teams (at least the 4 MN based teams) on a semi-regular basis.
The real losers would be the other 6 teams: UAA, UA(F), Ferris, WMU, LSSU, and BGSU. Those neams needing a home may cause a cascade through AH and ECAC breaking the teams up into 3 or 4 smaller conferences.
I think that at the end of the day if all that happens, 2 major changes happen:
1.) college hockey loses between 2-4 teams
2.) The tournament returns to a 12 team format.
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Originally posted by davyd83 View PostUmmm...the cost of flying back and forth may have had something to do with it.
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Originally posted by yooper(UP) hockey View PostInterlocking schedules is going to be the way to go come the 2012-2013 season. It worked great when the WCHA and HE did it.
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