Originally posted by peten16
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Realignment Rumors
Collapse
X
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View PostHe's talking about what it would be without Michigan and MSU in the picture.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by peten16 View PostNorthern is inconsistently good. WMU had their first good year in a long while. They are solid, but not premier programs like ND or Miami.
Originally posted by giwan View PostWinning a lot does solve lots of problems. My understanding the Penn State club team wins at a high rate that they can charge for their games. Granted maybe only a buck or two but still charge for a club team? Get your program to win and worry about the "big boys" later.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View PostThat sentence is just wrong...I think its four team race for the Conference title: Notre Dame, Miami, Western Michigan, Northern Michigan.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by Rover View PostFor Notre Dame and to some extent Miami though, they can handle the SOS problem with some good out of conference games. Notre Dame-BC, Notre Dame-Michigan, etc. That negates one problem and even if they lose those games they only have one big competitor for the auto-bid in Miami. In Miami's case they might not have the natural rivalries from other sports to piggyback off of like Notre Dame, but the BTHC has to schedule somebody OOC. They would seem to be a reasonable choice both geographically and if the former CCHA teams in the BTHC want to maintain some links to their former conference mates. Miami also might need to come East every year.Originally posted by Almington View PostIf you win the games you play, you'll get an at large bid. The weaker your overall conference, the smaller your margin for error but you still have to win games. Winning games is the number one key to earning an at large bid. Even with the loss of the B1G schools, I don't think that the drop off will be all that much. The problem would come if the shack up results in having 6 conferences and enough teams folded to drop down to a 12 team NCAA tournament, at which point only 6 at-large bids would exist and then everyone's margin of error would be almost nothing.
One could make the argument that they won 3 important games all year, and that's about it. They beat Miami (eventual #1 overall) and swept UMD (#1 at the time even though they missed the NCAA's). Overall, they were 7-5-1 OOC, with a split at a Minnesota team that missed the NCAA's, swept at home by Minn State who finished 9th in the WCHA, plus lost to 8th place CCHA Ohio State. Besides that, they only had wins over Air Force (3rd place AHA team) and a 3 pt. weekend at Northern Michigan (4th in CCHA, but an NCAA team). They dominated the CHA and won a couple key OOC games and ended up an 8 seed in the Pairwise.
BSU, of course, for most of their CHA days benefited from a good relationship (and proximity) with several WCHA schools for scheduling. Notre Dame and Miami could position themselves similarly with the BTHC.Last edited by moose97; 04-21-2011, 09:51 AM.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by Rover View PostFor Notre Dame and to some extent Miami though, they can handle the SOS problem with some good out of conference games. Notre Dame-BC, Notre Dame-Michigan, etc. That negates one problem and even if they lose those games they only have one big competitor for the auto-bid in Miami. In Miami's case they might not have the natural rivalries from other sports to piggyback off of like Notre Dame, but the BTHC has to schedule somebody OOC. They would seem to be a reasonable choice both geographically and if the former CCHA teams in the BTHC want to maintain some links to their former conference mates. Miami also might need to come East every year.
What I don't know about, and maybe somebody has the financials, is what kind of payoff these teams get from their conference tournaments. If nobody's going to watch that now, but say the WCHA or HE is bringing in significantly larger crowds and generating a bigger payday, both of those schools could consider making a jump strictly to chase some dollars. That's entirely plausible IMHO, but we won't know that for awhile.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by giwan View PostWinning a lot does solve lots of problems. My understanding the Penn State club team wins at a high rate that they can charge for their games. Granted maybe only a buck or two but still charge for a club team? Get your program to win and worry about the "big boys" later.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostAnd then there are some that would be overjoyed to go .400 in a season.
You're definitely correct about bringing the big boys in. However, there's one thing that is pretty much universal across the board: winning gets butts into the seats. If the team is doing well, even if it means pulling your first winning season in quite a while, that will bring more people to your home location. That means more cash from tickets, which means local companies are more willing to advertise, which means more money there. For the most part, it can start with an amazing recruit or two.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by SCSU Euro View PostBut with "inferior competition" (I'm not saying that WILL be the case, I'm just buying into the assumption for this purpose) it means it'll be harder for them to get an at-large bid with a weaker SOS. Plus, every AD will tell you they are striving for their school to make the NCAAs. But let's be real; every AD has a price tag that if they got that much more $ over the season for bringing the big boys into their barn, they'd take that over making the NCAA tournament. And I have the feeling that for some AD's, that $ amount is smaller than we'd think.
You're definitely correct about bringing the big boys in. However, there's one thing that is pretty much universal across the board: winning gets butts into the seats. If the team is doing well, even if it means pulling your first winning season in quite a while, that will bring more people to your home location. That means more cash from tickets, which means local companies are more willing to advertise, which means more money there. For the most part, it can start with an amazing recruit or two.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by SCSU Euro View PostBut with "inferior competition" (I'm not saying that WILL be the case, I'm just buying into the assumption for this purpose) it means it'll be harder for them to get an at-large bid with a weaker SOS. Plus, every AD will tell you they are striving for their school to make the NCAAs. But let's be real; every AD has a price tag that if they got that much more $ over the season for bringing the big boys into their barn, they'd take that over making the NCAA tournament. And I have the feeling that for some AD's, that $ amount is smaller than we'd think.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by SCSU Euro View PostBut with "inferior competition" (I'm not saying that WILL be the case, I'm just buying into the assumption for this purpose) it means it'll be harder for them to get an at-large bid with a weaker SOS. Plus, every AD will tell you they are striving for their school to make the NCAAs. But let's be real; every AD has a price tag that if they got that much more $ over the season for bringing the big boys into their barn, they'd take that over making the NCAA tournament. And I have the feeling that for some AD's, that $ amount is smaller than we'd think.
What I don't know about, and maybe somebody has the financials, is what kind of payoff these teams get from their conference tournaments. If nobody's going to watch that now, but say the WCHA or HE is bringing in significantly larger crowds and generating a bigger payday, both of those schools could consider making a jump strictly to chase some dollars. That's entirely plausible IMHO, but we won't know that for awhile.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by peten16 View PostWell sure, you never look past, them. But yet you do tend to beat the pants off any of those remaining teams in the CCHA. This is s fact: With UM gone you guys are have an undeniably better chance at an auto bid every year. Do not think your AD is not aware of that.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. View PostAs a Notre Dame fan, I have to disagree with this sentiment (and I would be willing to bet I'm not alone in the ND...or the Miami...camp for that matter). I love playing all the teams in the league and don't look past any one team or am arrogant enough to think my team can always "beat up on" anyone else.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Originally posted by dggoddard View PostIn other words, "Follow the money."
Exactly. It exists just as much as your leprechaun's pot of gold you're handing out travel costs with.
Leave a comment:
-
Re: Realignment Rumors
Honestly though, I couldn't imagine that power conference without a couple traditionally not as good schools though. Could you really imagine the NCAA tournament without any of those 6 teams? I was thinking maybe MTU, LSSU, Bowling Green (is it ok to still call them BGSU?) or maybe UMD (though that would break the potential Minnesota conference).
Leave a comment:
Leave a comment: