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  • #46
    Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

    Originally posted by UMBand View Post
    Still the most banners hanging in any college building in America.
    Most banners no! Most national champship banners yes.
    Slap Shot - 444 might want to consider a restraining order.
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    • #47
      Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

      I only questioned two penalties. The 2nd (?) one of the game on Michigan after they missed an obvious UND elbow to knock the MI player over the boards (then calling a penalty on MI, I believe it was Scooter), and the evening up the penalties when Hunyuk (yes, intentional) punched the tUMD guy.

      Red is five feet in the grave, but I haven't known him to be a "sore loser." Disappointed, sad, frustrated? Sure. Sore? No.
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      • #48
        Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
        I only questioned two penalties. The 2nd (?) one of the game on Michigan after they missed an obvious UND elbow to knock the MI player over the boards (then calling a penalty on MI, I believe it was Scooter), and the evening up the penalties when Hunyuk (yes, intentional) punched the tUMD guy.

        Red is five feet in the grave, but I haven't known him to be a "sore loser." Disappointed, sad, frustrated? Sure. Sore? No.
        For the second one, the UMD player shot the puck into the net right by Hunwick well after the whistle was blown. That's why Hunwick was ****ed off, and it should have been an automatic penalty on UMD.

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        • #49
          Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

          Originally posted by kdilks View Post
          For the second one, the UMD player shot the puck into the net right by Hunwick well after the whistle was blown. That's why Hunwick was ****ed off, and it should have been an automatic penalty on UMD.
          Some of us were thinking the tUMD player said something wayyyyyy over the line, as the ref didn't assess the tUMD penalty until after Hunyuk punched him, and the refs used the "make everyone 'happy' and even it out" rule.

          Edit: we were 6 rows from the ice on that end, hence our observation.
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          • #50
            Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

            Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
            Some of us were thinking the tUMD player said something wayyyyyy over the line, as the ref didn't assess the tUMD penalty until after Hunyuk punched him, and the refs used the "make everyone 'happy' and even it out" rule.

            Edit: we were 6 rows from the ice on that end, hence our observation.
            I think it was more that the refs missed/decided not to call the original "shooting the puck after the whistle" unsportsmanlike, and then they just took both players for scrapping after the whistle. Usually I'd say that it's crap when they take both for roughing despite one clearly being the aggressor, but I think it balanced out in this case since they didn't call the original penalty.

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            • #51
              Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

              Originally posted by kdilks View Post
              I think it was more that the refs missed/decided not to call the original "shooting the puck after the whistle" unsportsmanlike, and then they just took both players for scrapping after the whistle. Usually I'd say that it's crap when they take both for roughing despite one clearly being the aggressor, but I think it balanced out in this case since they didn't call the original penalty.
              He didn't "shoot" after the whistle. It's not like he wound up and took a slap shot, which is the point of the penalty, not to protect hurt feelings.
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              • #52
                Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                What got me was the obviousness of the punch. It wasn't a face wash in the crease, it wasn't a pileup immediately after the whistle, where we all say, "eh, that's hockey." This was well after people were separated, and Hunyuk threw a deliberate punch into the chest of the tUMD player. THAT'S where we were puzzled.

                I really had no opinion on this guy until then. And for the record, I still don't know if he just lost it in the heat of the moment, or if he's Ron Hextall-like. But that moment, he really p*ed me off. It was bad.
                Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
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                • #53
                  Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                  Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                  He didn't "shoot" after the whistle. It's not like he wound up and took a slap shot, which is the point of the penalty, not to protect hurt feelings.
                  Obsene, profane, threatening or abusive language or gestures aren't an intent to phyiscally injure, so they're not unsportsmanlike then?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                    Originally posted by KnowItAll View Post
                    why are you even on here a discussion board?
                    To rip on b*tchy people who can't find it within themselves to move beyond a nearly decade-old questionable call, apparently.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                      Originally posted by KC8NIY View Post
                      Obsene, profane, threatening or abusive language or gestures aren't an intent to phyiscally injure, so they're not unsportsmanlike then?
                      True. A shot is a shot. I mean, when I played boot hockey and wasn't playing goalie, my wrist shot was a more dangerous shot than my attempt at a slap shot (which was beyond pathetic). It's not like the rule says that if the puck is raised, or if the stick is raised above the waist on a shot that the rules are different.
                      Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
                      Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens

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                      • #56
                        Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                        True. A shot is a shot. I mean, when I played boot hockey and wasn't playing goalie, my wrist shot was a more dangerous shot than my attempt at a slap shot (which was beyond pathetic). It's not like the rule says that if the puck is raised, or if the stick is raised above the waist on a shot that the rules are different.
                        Right. Doesn't matter the type of shot. It's considered taunting, which is unsportsmanlike conduct.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                          Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                          He didn't "shoot" after the whistle. It's not like he wound up and took a slap shot, which is the point of the penalty, not to protect hurt feelings.
                          You seem to be thinking of "intent to injure", which is a much different situation.

                          EDIT: FWIW,

                          Shooting Puck After the Whistle
                          SECTION 46. a. A player shall not shoot the puck away from an official
                          after the whistle has blown.
                          PENALTY—Misconduct.
                          b. A player shall not shoot the puck at the goalkeeper or bench after the
                          whistle.
                          PENALTY—Minor and misconduct, game misconduct or disqualification
                          at the discretion of the referee.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                            It unfortunate when the media lifts a quote from a lengthly interview, wraps a feature story around it and in this case creates a very biased impression of Red's overall post game reaction. The entire interview presents a much more conventional, eulogistic and respectful Red Berenson.

                            NCAA coaches function under an NCAA code of ethics that prevents them from denigrating referees or openly refuting penalty calls to the media. Red rightly positioned his comments to generally indicate there were some questionable calls against Michigan, nothing more, nothing less. Regarding the caustic and inappropriate accusations leveled against Red by a snarly CCHA fan on this useless thread...get a life son. You're the sore loser.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                              What got me was the obviousness of the punch. It wasn't a face wash in the crease, it wasn't a pileup immediately after the whistle, where we all say, "eh, that's hockey." This was well after people were separated, and Hunyuk threw a deliberate punch into the chest of the tUMD player. THAT'S where we were puzzled.

                              I really had no opinion on this guy until then. And for the record, I still don't know if he just lost it in the heat of the moment, or if he's Ron Hextall-like. But that moment, he really p*ed me off. It was bad.
                              Into the chest? Gosh Brent how terrible. That's hockey.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Red Berenson: America's Sorest Loser

                                Originally posted by HarleyMC View Post
                                Into the chest? Gosh Brent how terrible. That's hockey.
                                I know. They could get some pointers from Ogie Ogelthorpe or Bob Probert, right?

                                Yeah, I'm expecting billmich and Michfan or all those other guys who claim "envy because you [allegedly] hate us" to apologize, since I apparently am so jealous of MI I hate them.

                                Great game, whole crowd was on edge. If there is any hope at all for this sport to grow on tv, this game helped it. Big crowd, big (cough cough) ratings I hope, huge in-person turnout.
                                Never really developed a taste for tequila. Kind of hard to understand how you make a drink out of something that sharp, inhospitable. Now, bourbon is easy to understand.
                                Tastes like a warm summer day. -Raylan Givens

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