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Originally posted by HungryHungryHuskies View PostI'm admittedly NOT the most knowledgeable person in regards to NCAA regulations, but wasn't it stated recently that if a program wanted to launch/upgrade to a D1 hockey program (or any sport for that matter), they would need to do so with the entire athletics department? I know a lot of teams came up to D1 in the late 90s/early 2000s (with RIT being the last), but I was under the impression that this was a result of disbanding D2 in hockey. If a team like Oswego, for example, wanted to join D1 now ... could they??
As a side note, RIT's women have already stated that they will become a DI program as soon as allowed. So, there are definitely teams pushing for this blockade to be shut down.
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Originally posted by Jim View PostI've said for a long time that the only way it makes any sense for new teams to come up, unless they are major schools like Penn State, is to do it as a group. The original AHA/MAAC group upgraded with something like 8 schools all at the same time and were able to do so as their own league. It allowed them to have a ready made schedule, guarenteed home games, and frankly reasonalby comparable competition. Several of hte original teams, Fairfield, Iona, Quinipiac are no longer par tof the league. Q went on to the ECAc while the others dropped hockey, but they've been replaced over time and the league was large enough to withstand some comings and goings. To me that is what makes sense for an expansion. Unless you're a Penn State, maybe a Syracuse or Rhode Island, major universities with fairly massive athletic departments- The Big Ten operating budgets range from $40-90 million annually compared to about $15 million in the MAC, and my guess is it is MUCH lower at D-2 and D-3 schools-who doesn't have to worry about travel costs and home attendance, comin gin with a ready made league makes some sense. In effect it is what Penn State did, too for that matter. If I were looking to expand, I'd be approaching a couple of the D-3 leagues and particularly the D-2 teams about upgrading as a group and following the AHA cost containment model. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there are any D-2 leagues beyond the Northeast 10.
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I don't think Huntsville is going to the AHA. The schools there are already travelling to Air Force, who has no interest in leaving by the way. They aren't adding a trip to Huntsville Alabama. It simply isn't happening. Like it or not AHA remains committed to the principal of cost containment. Adding another program 1000 miles from the nearest competitor is totally inconsistent with that philosophy.
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Originally posted by HungryHungryHuskies View PostMaking I've taken a dose of the Crazy or missed the boat on this, but what would be the problem with the conferences continuing on with their current members after the BTHC schools split? It's business as usual in HEA, AHA and ECAC. Big 10 could have an interlocking schedule with CCHA if need be. Nobody HAS to take Huntsville just because they're available.
I guess I could see the possibility of the two western most AHA schools moving to the CCHA and having the two conferences at an even 10 (even after RM just moved to the AHA), but other than that I sincerely doubt we'll see any changes in the coming years.
Now if you can put a couple of schools in there who aren't in danger of dropping hockey, while not screwing the AHA at the same time, I think you need to do it. To me that's the only change that has to happen and its a relatively minor one IMHO. Then give players a weekend in a warm climate drinking pure Alabama moonshine by sending Alabama-Huntsville to the AHA. None of this should be too disruptive.
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I've said for a long time that the only way it makes any sense for new teams to come up, unless they are major schools like Penn State, is to do it as a group. The original AHA/MAAC group upgraded with something like 8 schools all at the same time and were able to do so as their own league. It allowed them to have a ready made schedule, guarenteed home games, and frankly reasonalby comparable competition. Several of hte original teams, Fairfield, Iona, Quinipiac are no longer par tof the league. Q went on to the ECAc while the others dropped hockey, but they've been replaced over time and the league was large enough to withstand some comings and goings. To me that is what makes sense for an expansion. Unless you're a Penn State, maybe a Syracuse or Rhode Island, major universities with fairly massive athletic departments- The Big Ten operating budgets range from $40-90 million annually compared to about $15 million in the MAC, and my guess is it is MUCH lower at D-2 and D-3 schools-who doesn't have to worry about travel costs and home attendance, comin gin with a ready made league makes some sense. In effect it is what Penn State did, too for that matter. If I were looking to expand, I'd be approaching a couple of the D-3 leagues and particularly the D-2 teams about upgrading as a group and following the AHA cost containment model. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there are any D-2 leagues beyond the Northeast 10.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostSeriously people, the only team that is joining is Penn State, and we all know where they're going. Talking about schools joining when they haven't expressed serious interest is just plain stupid.
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The impediments to 20 new college hockey teams are start up costs and Title IX. Short of some more $90 million payouts to schools that simultaneously cover both the building of an arena and the start up of a matching women's hockey team, there's not going to be a sudden surge of schools saying "Wow, there's room in the WCHA, CCHA and (if we're a large midwestern state university), Big Ten! Let's start a hockey team!" And despite Paul Kelly's dreams, the PAC-12 isn't going to get together next summer and decided to pull half a dozen of their teams to D1, since doing it piecemeal piles on travel costs to the startup costs/Title IX.
Finding a conference was probably about 8th on the list of worries when considering hockey. There's still all the other issues.
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Maybe I've taken a dose of the Crazy or missed the boat on this, but what would be the problem with the conferences continuing on with their current members after the BTHC schools split? It's business as usual in HEA, AHA and ECAC. Big 10 could have an interlocking schedule with CCHA if need be. Nobody HAS to take Huntsville just because they're available.
I guess I could see the possibility of the two western most AHA schools moving to the CCHA and having the two conferences at an even 10 (even after RM just moved to the AHA), but other than that I sincerely doubt we'll see any changes in the coming years.Last edited by HungryHungryHuskies; 03-24-2011, 04:51 PM.
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Originally posted by Rhett View PostI sincerely doubt that actually stopped anyone. Wayne State and Kennesaw State claimed it, but I think the main reason is "hockey is expensive".
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Originally posted by Rhett View PostI sincerely doubt that actually stopped anyone. Wayne State and Kennesaw State claimed it, but I think the main reason is "hockey is expensive".
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Originally posted by Rover View PostI don't agree. A huge problem for college hockey expansion, be it a large school or a small one, was no room in the conferences to join.
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Originally posted by Rover View PostI don't agree. A huge problem for college hockey expansion, be it a large school or a small one, was no room in the conferences to join. WCHA, AHA and ECAC were maxed out and HE will not expand at all unless somewhere down the road URI jumps up and the grab UConn to complete the 6 state schools in New England playing the sport. If you have no conference to go to and therefore don't know who you'd be playing to guage fan interest, etc why would a school put in the time, effort and $$$ to make the leap?
Now that there is room for expansion, it makes sense to focus on the schools who've either made noise or have the facilities (again I'll mention URI and Navy but I'm sure there are other smaller schools out there). The sport should grow, because there's no guarantee that the schools playing now will always maintain their programs (BGSU, Bentley, AIC, etc etc). For years all I read out here was the certainly that the Big Ten Hockey Conference would never happen in our lifetimes, that Penn St would never play D1 hockey and how Joe Paterno wouldn't allow hockey at PSU. All of those turned out to be false, and I don't think some planning ahead is necessarily a bad thing.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostSeriously people, the only team that is joining is Penn State, and we all know where they're going. Talking about schools joining when they haven't expressed serious interest is just plain stupid.
Now that there is room for expansion, it makes sense to focus on the schools who've either made noise or have the facilities (again I'll mention URI and Navy but I'm sure there are other smaller schools out there). The sport should grow, because there's no guarantee that the schools playing now will always maintain their programs (BGSU, Bentley, AIC, etc etc). For years all I read out here was the certainly that the Big Ten Hockey Conference would never happen in our lifetimes, that Penn St would never play D1 hockey and how Joe Paterno wouldn't allow hockey at PSU. All of those turned out to be false, and I don't think some planning ahead is necessarily a bad thing.
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Seriously people, the only team that is joining is Penn State, and we all know where they're going. Talking about schools joining when they haven't expressed serious interest is just plain stupid.
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