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  • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

    Originally posted by Hockeypuck View Post
    Not sure where you got your population numbers from? The metro Bangor area has a population of 148K and the metro Grand Forks area has a population of 97K so you are pretty much off base with your population point.
    Wikipedia.

    The University is in Orono, and its population is listed at around 9,000. Bangor is listed as having a population of around 35,000. Grand Forks is listed as having a population of about 51,000. That puts more people in Grand Forks alone than in Orono and Bangor combined, and that's what I said, so I'm not off base there.

    Bangor is the county seat of Penobscot county. The population of Penobscot is listed at 144,000. The Metro area of Grand Forks is listed at 97,000, which does indeed put it a bit under my claim of 3/4 of the County's population-- so let's say over half. I was a bit off base there.

    Grand Forks' "ND-MN Metropolitcan Statistical Area" includes Grand Forks, ND and East Grand Forks, MN, which sounds to me like twin cities, of which Grand Forks is the larger. It includes Grand Forks County consists of about 3700 km2. Its population is, as previously mentioned, 97,000.

    The Bangor "Metropolitan Statistical Area" includes Bangor and all of Penobscot County, not just one other city. Penobscot covers over 8000 km2. In other words, you can make Bangor's "metro area" include an additional 50,000 people or so if you increase the area covered by more than two times. Note that the figure for Penobscot County is only marginally larger than the metro Bangor area itself, even though its geographical area is much larger.

    I would say, then, that making any claim to the effect that Bangor is a busier and more bustling metropolis than Grand Forks, and thus more closely approximating the glamour and glitz of the Big Apple, is, at best, "off base"; it looks like the population density in that area of Bangor's metro area is much less than that of Grand Forks'.

    I can't believe I'm doing this. Was the comparison that important that you needed to cast aspersions on it without looking at the information a little closer yourself? Is it that big an affront to Bangor or the great state of Maine that the possibility that a city in North Dakota might actually have a few more people in it, or be marginally more attractive to a Canadian junior hockey player growing up on the farm?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orono,_Maine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangor,_Maine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penobscot_County
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Forks,_North_Dakota
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_F...,_North_Dakota
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropo...atistical_Area
    Last edited by dmjossel; 03-14-2011, 08:23 AM. Reason: added wikipedia links.

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    • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

      Originally posted by dmjossel View Post


      I can't believe I'm doing this. Was the comparison that important that you needed to cast aspersions on it without looking at the information a little closer yourself? Is it that big an affront to Bangor or the great state of Maine that the possibility that a city in North Dakota might actually have a few more people in it, or be marginally more attractive to a Canadian junior hockey player growing up on the farm?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orono,_Maine
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangor,_Maine
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penobscot_County
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Forks,_North_Dakota
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_F...,_North_Dakota
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropo...atistical_Area
      Comparison wasn't important at all doesn't change a thing just pointing out that some of your information was wrong.

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      • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

        Originally posted by walrus View Post
        You should be a D3 fan, you just want a team, it doesn't matter if they perform, you just want to watch hockey. Nothing wrong with that but D3 teams don't have budgets like D1 teams, they aren't expected to perform at certain levels(in most cases, Middlebury and others are exceptions I'm sure). BU underacheived and you can bet their are rumblings about Jack being past his prime. I agree with Hockeypuck, he has done less with more than any other coach except maybe Don Lucia. Lucia might get the ax also
        Why are you compelled to tell me what Divisions to be a fan of? I posted a factual observation with a . I love Maine hockey as much as anyone on this list. I just prefer to be more balanced and positive about Maine's future. Please don't tell me which team and division of college hockey I should support.

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        • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

          Originally posted by dmjossel View Post
          If MC experiences a drop off, it will likely be from early departures combined with graduations; Da Costa is a sophomore and Cannata is a junior. Da Costa surprised a few by coming back this year, although I don't think it was that surprising. Many have him pegged to leave after this season.
          FWIW, talking with some of the Merrimack players during the Saturday game at the Alfond a few weeks ago, they were convinced that DaCosta is gone after this year.

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          • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

            Originally posted by walrus View Post
            You should be a D3 fan, you just want a team, it doesn't matter if they perform, you just want to watch hockey. Nothing wrong with that but D3 teams don't have budgets like D1 teams, they aren't expected to perform at certain levels(in most cases, Middlebury and others are exceptions I'm sure). BU underacheived and you can bet their are rumblings about Jack being past his prime. I agree with Hockeypuck, he has done less with more than any other coach except maybe Don Lucia. Lucia might get the ax also
            I'd still be disappointed over this season. But . . . yeah . . . if Whitehead were a couple years removed from a national championship, he'd get more leeway, too. That's just how it is.
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            • Originally posted by sjrceme View Post
              It is a long shot, but if you plug in these results into chn website Maine looks to be 15th.

              WCHA Play-in #2: Minnesota-Duluth defeats Bemidji State.
              WCHA Play-in #1: Alaska-Anchorage defeats Colorado College.
              WCHA Semifinal #2: Denver defeats Minnesota-Duluth.
              WCHA Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Alaska-Anchorage.
              WCHA Championship game: North Dakota defeats Denver.
              Hockey East Semifinal #2: Merrimack defeats New Hampshire.
              Hockey East Semifinal #1: Northeastern defeats Boston College.
              Hockey East Championship game: Merrimack defeats Northeastern.
              ECAC Semifinal #2: Cornell defeats Dartmouth.
              ECAC Semifinal #1: Yale defeats Colgate.
              ECAC Championship game: Yale defeats Cornell.
              ECAC Consolation game: Colgate defeats Dartmouth.
              CCHA Semifinal #2: Miami defeats Notre Dame.
              CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Western Michigan.
              CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Miami.
              CCHA Consolation game: Notre Dame defeats Western Michigan.
              Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Air Force defeats Holy Cross.
              Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Connecticut defeats RIT.
              Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats Connecticut.
              *
              Haha

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              • Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                Why are you compelled to tell me what Divisions to be a fan of? I posted a factual observation with a . I love Maine hockey as much as anyone on this list. I just prefer to be more balanced and positive about Maine's future. Please don't tell me which team and division of college hockey I should support.
                What were your expectations for the team this season?
                Mine were home ice in HE playoffs and a spot
                In the ncaas . Not unreasonable but they achieved neither
                I swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.

                Maine Hockey Love it or Leave it

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                • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                  Originally posted by walrus View Post
                  What were your expectations for the team this season?
                  Mine were home ice in HE playoffs and a spot
                  In the ncaas . Not unreasonable but they achieved neither
                  Based on what I saw at the Garden last year, I was hoping for another appearance.

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                  • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                    Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                    Why are you compelled to tell me what Divisions to be a fan of? I posted a factual observation with a . I love Maine hockey as much as anyone on this list. I just prefer to be more balanced and positive about Maine's future. Please don't tell me which team and division of college hockey I should support.
                    You seemed to be justifying Maine's slide into mediocrity by mentioning another team that's having a few off years from where they traditionally were, but have a very recent national championship to their credit, whereas we haven't even come close for quite a while. Even if BU and Maine's recent history were as similar as you seem to want to suggest, how is that relevant to our dissatisfaction with where OUR program seems to be headed?

                    I think that you're about the only one who would call your apparent willingness to accept mediocrity as being more "positive" about Maine hockey, an interesting spin on that! Also, do you REALLY think that you are in any position to make the judgment that your opinion is any more "balanced" than anyone else's opinion is?

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                    • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                      Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                      Based on what I saw at the Garden last year, I was hoping for another appearance.
                      Another appearance in the Garden? That seems kind of low to me but maybe you're a better judge of the team. What about 5 years ago, would an appearance in the garden have satisfied you? At that point I could have cared about the Garden, NCAAs or bust, anything less was failure. I think most of us have tempered our expectations and I'm not sure its a good thing. How do you achieve great things when you're satisifed with lesser things?
                      I swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.

                      Maine Hockey Love it or Leave it

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                      • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                        Originally posted by Hockeypuck View Post
                        Not sure where you got your population numbers from? The metro Bangor area has a population of 148K and the metro Grand Forks area has a population of 97K so you are pretty much off base with your population point.
                        This whole talk about Orono being in the middle of nowhere is just plain stupid. City slickers on the East Coast are spoiled and don't know isolated until they've been West of the Mississippi. Everywhere is a 3 or 4 hour drive......minimum. Uranites in the Northeast whine if they have to drive 20 minutes. Teams in the West have to take flights almost everywhere instead of hopping on a bus. As far as the Grand Forks vs. Orono arguments go..........it's a 5 hour drive from GF to Minneapolis and a 4 hour drive from Bangor to Boston.

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                        • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                          Originally posted by dmjossel View Post
                          Wikipedia.

                          The University is in Orono, and its population is listed at around 9,000. Bangor is listed as having a population of around 35,000. Grand Forks is listed as having a population of about 51,000. That puts more people in Grand Forks alone than in Orono and Bangor combined, and that's what I said, so I'm not off base there.

                          Bangor is the county seat of Penobscot county. The population of Penobscot is listed at 144,000. The Metro area of Grand Forks is listed at 97,000, which does indeed put it a bit under my claim of 3/4 of the County's population-- so let's say over half. I was a bit off base there.

                          Grand Forks' "ND-MN Metropolitcan Statistical Area" includes Grand Forks, ND and East Grand Forks, MN, which sounds to me like twin cities, of which Grand Forks is the larger. It includes Grand Forks County consists of about 3700 km2. Its population is, as previously mentioned, 97,000.

                          The Bangor "Metropolitan Statistical Area" includes Bangor and all of Penobscot County, not just one other city. Penobscot covers over 8000 km2. In other words, you can make Bangor's "metro area" include an additional 50,000 people or so if you increase the area covered by more than two times. Note that the figure for Penobscot County is only marginally larger than the metro Bangor area itself, even though its geographical area is much larger.

                          I would say, then, that making any claim to the effect that Bangor is a busier and more bustling metropolis than Grand Forks, and thus more closely approximating the glamour and glitz of the Big Apple, is, at best, "off base"; it looks like the population density in that area of Bangor's metro area is much less than that of Grand Forks'.

                          I can't believe I'm doing this. Was the comparison that important that you needed to cast aspersions on it without looking at the information a little closer yourself? Is it that big an affront to Bangor or the great state of Maine that the possibility that a city in North Dakota might actually have a few more people in it, or be marginally more attractive to a Canadian junior hockey player growing up on the farm?

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orono,_Maine
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangor,_Maine
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penobscot_County
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Forks,_North_Dakota
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_F...,_North_Dakota
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropo...atistical_Area
                          You're the one making a big deal of it...........

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                          • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                            Imagine if Nyquist signs with Detroit this week and then Maine makes the NCAAs. How funny would that not be?

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                            • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                              "Imagine if Nyquist signs with Detroit this week and then Maine makes the NCAAs. How funny would that not be?"

                              I would feel so many emotions, I would explode. Timmay would have his first legitimate excuse about a player leaving early if that were to occur.

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                              • Re: Maine Off Season 2011

                                Originally posted by MaineMan View Post
                                Imagine if Maine makes the NCAAs. How funny would that not be?
                                And then imagine if an asteroid breaks out of orbit and starts heading toward Earth?

                                I think I'd too concerned about that to worry about Maine hockey.
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