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  • #31
    Re: College Hockey's All-Time Leading Scorer

    Originally posted by Koho View Post
    Did [Chiarelli] only play in 5 games, or what? 4.39/game????
    According to the article that accompanied his induction into the RPI 'Ring of Honor':

    "As a forward from 1951-55, Chiarelli had 155 goals and 110 assists for 265 points in only 80 games. His single season totals were: Chiarelli led the Engineers in goals three times, assists once, and points twice. He twice scored a school-record seven goals in a game and remains the school single-season record holder for goals (55), goals per game (3.06 in 1951-52), hat tricks (9), and points per game (4.39 in 1951-52). He is also third in points in a season (79).

    "A captain as a junior and senior, Chiarelli holds Rensselaer career records for goals, goals per game (1.94), hat tricks (23), and points and ranks third in points per game (3.31) and fifth in overall assists.

    "He is the NCAA Division I record holder for goals per game in a career, goals per game in a season, and points per game in a season. He is also fifth in goals in a season (55) and sixth in goals per game in a season (1.80 in 1952-53)."


    Overall, the RPI 1951–52 team averaged 8.28 goals per game, an NCAA record which stands today.
    Last edited by FreshFish; 03-10-2011, 09:24 AM. Reason: new information
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    • #32
      Re: College Hockey's All-Time Leading Scorer

      Originally posted by defkit View Post

      I remember Montogomery's years well. I also remember Shawn Walsh being pretty livid when Dave Sacco was named All-American over him, despite having about 30 less points.
      Can't imagine why Walshy would be upset, Sacco couldn't hold Jimmys jock
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      • #33
        Re: College Hockey's All-Time Leading Scorer

        Originally posted by LTsatch View Post
        Any reason why no one has made the list since the mid nineties?
        Not to repeat other peoples' speculations, here are two more possibilities:
        1) players take nutrition and conditioning a lot more seriously overall. Thirty or forty years ago you might get a freakishly fit specimen who would be stronger or faster or have more stamina relative to his peers compared to today (on a relative basis). (in other words, how many points 'way back when' were scored in the third period when everyone else was gassed save one?)
        2) related to number one, teams probably have more depth now than they did; so that the stud players don't get as much ice time per game now than they might have 'way back when'.

        I suppose it is impossible to break it down to points / minutes on the ice; my suspicion is that if one were able to do so you'd see more people from the '90s and '00s showing up.


        PS According to a story from 2004, the RPI team that won the 1954 championship only had 13 players on the team and typically used six forwards and four defensemen. Apparently Harkness was really big on conditioning. There also was an anecdote that he brought oxygen tanks to the final game in Colorado Springs because of the altitude, except that there wasn't really any oxygen in them, he just told the players that there was.
        Last edited by FreshFish; 02-25-2011, 09:33 AM.
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        "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

        "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

        "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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        • #34
          Re: College Hockey's All-Time Leading Scorer

          Originally posted by Koho View Post
          Why doesn't someone weight these by goals/points/game and by, say, mean goals scored per game for the league by decade, to compensate for declines in scoring (due to differences in goaltending, defense, coaching and conditioning). Then we could have a better comparison for how impressive players were across eras. If the data wasn't too hard to find, one could bring in top scorers from the 80's, 90's and 2000's and see if they start looking better by comparison. (Although this still wouldn't account for differences in depth. My guess is that there was a bigger discrepancy between the top players and 4th line players 40 -50 years ago than there is today.)
          Good idea, why don't you do it? You can start with the NCAA DI (& DIII) records with already have the top scorers per game averages for many players.

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          • #35
            Re: College Hockey's All-Time Leading Scorer

            Originally posted by walrus View Post
            Can't imagine why Walshy would be upset, Sacco couldn't hold Jimmys jock
            Sacco was a heck of a player. Over 200 points at BU. Maybe the key word/bias was All American. Montgomery was not an American....

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            • #36
              Re: College Hockey's All-Time Leading Scorer

              According to Wikipedia, the RPI 1951–52 team averaged 8.28 goals per game, an NCAA record which stands today.
              "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

              "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

              "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

              "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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