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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post[my] formula ... accounts for a variety of accomplishments from W/L both regular and post season, conference success, and success of those that you coached, to being recognized as great by your peers and other knowledgable people in the game.
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Originally posted by FreshFish View Post...Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.
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Originally posted by MEFANinLA View PostSean, this is a thread for best coach...not the worst coach!!! Anytime you list Whitehead you are obviously talking about the worst coach every to coach D1 hockey!!! He has ruined Maine hockey and refuses to go!!!!
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"Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."
"Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats
"People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View PostHonorable Mention
Mike Eaves
Mike Eaves has lead Wisconsin to 2 Frozen Fours, and the 2006 National Championship. The Badgers have made 5 NCAA Tournaments in his tenure, and have had only 2 losing seasons in his 9 seasons. If Coach Eaves stays at the collegiate level, expect him to crack the top-25 in the not so distant future.
Dave Hakstol
Dave Hakstol has been to more Frozen Fours since becoming a head coach, than any other coach in the nation (5). The Sioux have won 2 MacNaughton cups, along with 3 Broadmoor trophies in his tenure. Similar to Eaves, if Coach Hakstol continues this pace, he will be in the top-25 soon. At this point, it is a national title that is keeping him out of the upper echelon of coaching.
Scott Sandelin
No coach did more for themselves this past season than Scott Sandelin. If it were not for the Bulldogs run to the National Championship, he would have not been listed here. Sandelin has made the most out of his opportunities though, reaching 3 NCAA Tournaments and going 7-2 in those games. If he can continue to lead the Bulldogs to the dance, expect Coach Sandelin to rise in these rankings.
Tim Whitehead
Maine's coach, Tim Whitehead has struggled over the past few years, but his initial success following Walsh, along with what he accomplished in his first half dozen seasons at Maine put Whitehead here. Whitehead has an impressive 10-6 record in the NCAA Tournament, but missing the NCAAs four years in a row has put him in the hotseat amongst Maine fans.
Enrico Blasi
Enrico Blasi has moved into this echelon of coaching over the past handful of seasons, leading Miami to the status as a consistent contender. The RedHawks, under Blasi, have made 6 consecutive NCAA Tournaments, and were Runners-up in '09. Expect Blasi to continue to move up the list and Miami to continue their success.
Joe Marsh
Joe Marsh has been at the helm of the SLU program for 25 years, and has accomplished a lot. He has made 2 Frozen Fours, reaching the title game in '88, along with 8 NCAA Tournament appearances. Unfortunately, he is only 3-11 in the NCAA Tournament. That being said, Marsh often does more with less than any other coach in the game. His 468 victories are good enough to rank 22nd All-time.
Mike Schafer
Mike Schafer has been remarkably consistent in his 15 years at Cornell. The Big Red Boss has only had 2 losing seasons, and has reached the NCAA Tournament 8 times, reaching 1 Frozen Four. If Schafer can continue to make the NCAA Tournament, and perhaps reach a few more Frozen Fours or win a title, he will continue to climb the rankings.
Scotty Owens
Scotty Owens may catch a lot of grief for his hair, but he is an excellent coach. He may be the WCHA's version of Joe Marsh, in that he does more with less, and always seems to have CC in the mix. In 12 years in the Springs, Owens has never had a losing season, has put the Tigers into the NCAAs 7 times, and reached 1 Frozen Four.GO DU !!!
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So let the top 25 begin...
#25 Barry Thorndycraft
Coached at North Dakota from 1958-1964
Barry Thorndycraft coached six seasons at the University of North Dakota, and had two 20-win seasons. Those two years were quite special as they both resulted in National Championships. They were also the only two years that North Dakota made the NCAA Tournament during Thorndycraft's tenure. He is one of only two coaches in the top 25 to have never lost a Frozen Four game. His tenure started off with a bang, as Thorndycraft led the Sioux to the National Title over Michigan State. The Sioux then waited another four years before winning it all in '63 over Denver. While Thorndycraft had great NCAA success, he is hurt in this ranking, largely because he only coached for six seasons. With plenty of active coaches on the verge of jumping into the top 25, look for Thorndycraft to enjoy a short stay in this spot.
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The title of this thread is the problem: "The greatest coaches of all time" title is both excessively grandiose and comically provincial. Judging by outraged responses the title should read, "The greatest NCAA Division I United States men's college ice hockey head coaches of the modern era as measured by subjectively assigned numerical rankings."
That should put an end to the ruffled feathers.
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Originally posted by Osorojo View PostThe title of this thread is the problem: "The greatest coaches of all time" title is both excessively grandiose and comically provincial. Judging by outraged responses the title should read, "The greatest NCAA Division I United States men's college ice hockey head coaches of the modern era as measured by subjectively assigned numerical rankings."
That should put an end to the ruffled feathers.North Dakota
National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View PostGiven that this thread is already in the NCAA Division 1 United States Men's College Ice Hockey Forum, it would be idiotically redundant to include that in the thread title.
A more precisely stated "Greatest . . . " would have eliminated much of the off-topic bickering, but I'm probably missing the purpose of this forum.
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Originally posted by Osorojo View PostIf, to a literate reader, "USCHO" stands for " digitized comparison NCAA Division I men's modern era college ice hockey coaches," your point is well taken. But it never hurts to explain exactly what you are talking about.
A more precisely stated "Greatest . . . " would have eliminated much of the off-topic bickering, but I'm probably missing the purpose of this forum.
This is their Fan Forum.
This is the Men's NCAA Division 1 section of that forum.
Sorry if you failed to understand that. It's tough...I know.North Dakota
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostI really enjoyed your 'greatest programs' thread and look forward to the results of your formula when applied to coaches.
to many people, "greatest" implies more than just winning records; as you yourself noted it cannot fully be measured with available accessible data. People, including self, have become a little silly....
["nits" once were another word for "lice" and so nit-picking actually was a helpful friendly gesture....at one time.....]
It also is true that for a wide swath of the population, winning is not everything it is the only thing; for them these would indeed be the 'greatest' coaches of all time.
However, when I look at college basketball, to have a formula that says "greatest" that only measures wins, losses, tournament appearances, and all the other items of your formula, yet does not include graduation rates or post-college criminal convictions, a formula that would closely equate a Calipari or Calhoun or Knight with a Smith or a Wooden....well you know that I'm not the only one that thinks "greatest" goes beyond numerical metrics alone.....Last edited by FreshFish; 04-12-2011, 11:58 AM."Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."
"Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats
"People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostHowever, when I look at college basketball, to have a formula that says "greatest" that only measures wins, losses, tournament appearances, and all the other items of your formula, yet does not include graduation rates or post-college criminal convictions, a formula that would closely equate a Calipari or Calhoun or Knight with a Smith or a Wooden....well you know that I'm not the only one that thinks "greatest" goes beyond numerical metrics alone.....
So go for it.
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostIt is an impressive amount and quality of work. I appreciate it.
to many people, "greatest" implies more than just winning records; as you yourself noted it cannot fully be measured with available accessible data. People, including self, have become a little silly....
["nits" once were another word for "lice" and so nit-picking actually was a helpful friendly gesture....at one time.....]
At this point, I'd really like to get this thread back on track. I'm hesitant to keep going with this list if all we're going to do is talk about this thread title. I'm happy to discuss the formula after the top 25 has been announced. I'd prefer to keep talk to the coaches in the top-25...perhaps stories/anecdotes about the coaches on the list.North Dakota
National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016
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