Potsdam in the playoffs????

[SUNYHockey]

Can anyone tell me if/why Potsdam is elligible for the playoffs this year? According to this article the were sanctioned by the NCAA to a 2 year probation and one year post season ban on April 24, 2011. This came down way after the season had ended (NCAA Championship game was on March 26, 2011). Any insight would be much appreciated.

http://www.uscho.com/2011/04/24/pots...es-violations/

[norm1909]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

Can anyone tell me if/why Potsdam is elligible for the playoffs this year? According to this article the were sanctioned by the NCAA to a 2 year probation and one year post season ban on April 24, 2011. This came down way after the season had ended (NCAA Championship game was on March 26, 2011). Any insight would be much appreciated.

http://www.uscho.com/2011/04/24/pots...es-violations/

They are NOT eligible for the NCAA Ice Hockey tournament this year.

See NCAA news release here.

[Birdwatcher]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

They are NOT eligible for the NCAA Ice Hockey tournament this year.

See NCAA news release here.

Then why in the world would the SUNYAC even think about letting them participate in the conference tourney?

[norm1909]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

Then why in the world would the SUNYAC even think about letting them participate in the conference tourney?

It does note "whose rosters include one or more student-athletes receiving International Initiative Grants.", so if the players that received the grants are no longer on the roster this season, then it possible the would be eligible. Perhaps Saints17 knows if the sat out those players.

EDIT: Upon further study, it would be the roster at the time of the ruling, so I don't see any way they are eligible this season, they received the post season ban on April 21, 2011, so the post-season in effect at that time would be the 2011-12 season.

[norm1909]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

The initial USCHO thread is here.

[Saints17]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

The Bears are eligible for both.

[norm1909]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

The Bears are eligible for both.

Where there any players who opted to keep the aid but not play?

[SUNYHockey]

The Bears are eligible for both.

Do you have anything to back that up? I'm curious as to why they would be eligible.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Do you have anything to back that up? I'm curious as to why they would be eligible.

I don't know about the men.

But the women are eligible.

[NUProf]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

I'm sure that they are eligible for the same reason that Neumann is eligible. The post season ban was the same kind of ban that Neumann got which was to be enforced if there were players on the squad with the offending package. I'm sure Potsdam fixed that.

[norm1909]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

I'm sure that they are eligible for the same reason that Neumann is eligible. The post season ban was the same kind of ban that Neumann got which was to be enforced if there were players on the squad with the offending package. I'm sure Potsdam fixed that.

That is exactly what happened, the terms were:

Postseason ban, effective immediately, for any teams whose rosters include one or more student-athletes receiving International Initiative Grants.

This gave them four potential choices: Allow the players to:
1) Keep the awards and keep playing - since this option WOULD have resulted in a Postseason ban, the school did NOT offer it.
2) Keep the award and quit the team - this would prevent a postseason ban as there would be no players receiving International Initiative Grants.
3) Decline the award and stay on the team - this would prevent a postseason ban as there would be no players receiving International Initiative Grants.
4) Say to "heck" with this and leave the school - this would prevent a postseason ban as there would be no players receiving International Initiative Grants.


I am not sure if any players opted for choice 2 or 4 - Saints17 could possibily shed light on this.

[Saints17]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

I do not know any specifics of who may have kept what or what they may or may not have decided.

[SUNYHockey]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

I guess I just don't understand how the sanctioning process works. To me it seems that sanctions are brought down when a program has already broke the rules and are being punished for it, not to get a program back in compliance. I feel that the options the players have been given are just to get back where they need to be, the punishement is because they already broke the rules intentional or not. Seems to me they still need to serve the time for the crime.

[Birdwatcher]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

I guess I just don't understand how the sanctioning process works. To me it seems that sanctions are brought down when a program has already broke the rules and are being punished for it, not to get a program back in compliance. I feel that the options the players have been given are just to get back where they need to be, the punishement is because they already broke the rules intentional or not. Seems to me they still need to serve the time for the crime.

+1 This goes for Neuman and Morrisville as well

[nysportsfan29]

Re: Potsdam in the playoffs????

I guess I just don't understand how the sanctioning process works. To me it seems that sanctions are brought down when a program has already broke the rules and are being punished for it, not to get a program back in compliance. I feel that the options the players have been given are just to get back where they need to be, the punishement is because they already broke the rules intentional or not. Seems to me they still need to serve the time for the crime.

It's always tough enforcing these penalties because it seems to harm more kids after the fact than those who were involved in the rule-breaking.

Perhaps the NCAA just wanted the rule-breaking to stop and not punish any future athletes? Or it was more of a severe slap on the wrist?