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  • #76
    Re: Minnesota Cup

    Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
    If he believes this would not get done I highly doubt he would be stupid enough to come out and say MSU Moorhead hockey is close.
    Dude. We are making fun of a typo. Calm down.

    Originally posted by SCSU Euro View Post
    First off, it'll NEVER happen on Hockey Day Minnesota, what if the Gophers are playing for third? Plus IF this thing gets good TV ratings why not have them as two separate entities. Would make more sense on Hockey Day to show Gophers on FSN against a non-conference opponent... Like hey, how about another Minnesota team?

    I think we'll see a SLIVER of F5 money from this. Beersong's numers are generous and I don't think you'll be able to sell many tickets for individual games... Probably either a day pass or a whole thing pass. I'd suggest every year the two not playing (if Moorehead joins) could schedule a non-conference series to be played early but they won't wanna split up the pie with two more teams.

    And wow... We're only on page 4 of this thread and I have already found two posters who make RwD look smart and articulate. Congrats hon, you're only shooting for the bronze and at this rate you may not even medal.
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    • #77
      Re: Minnesota Cup

      Originally posted by SCSU Euro View Post
      First off, it'll NEVER happen on Hockey Day Minnesota, what if the Gophers are playing for third? Plus IF this thing gets good TV ratings why not have them as two separate entities. Would make more sense on Hockey Day to show Gophers on FSN against a non-conference opponent... Like hey, how about another Minnesota team?

      I think we'll see a SLIVER of F5 money from this. Beersong's numers are generous and I don't think you'll be able to sell many tickets for individual games... Probably either a day pass or a whole thing pass. I'd suggest every year the two not playing (if Moorehead joins) could schedule a non-conference series to be played early but they won't wanna split up the pie with two more teams.

      And wow... We're only on page 4 of this thread and I have already found two posters who make RwD look smart and articulate. Congrats hon, you're only shooting for the bronze and at this rate you may not even medal.
      Impossible.

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      • #78
        Re: Minnesota Cup

        GAME 1: Team A (Previous champion) VS. Team D (Previously left out)

        GAME 2: Team B (Last year's runner up) VS. Team C (Last year's third place)

        GAME 3: Loser game 1 VS. Loser game 2 - Loser of game 3 is out the next year

        GAME 4: Winner game 1 VS. Winner game 2


        Year 1 could be:
        Minnesota VS. St. Cloud
        Minnesota Duluth VS. Bemidji/Mankato

        Or it could be based on conference standings of the year prior to the first year.

        The Minnesota - SCSU game would be a pretty good first round game to get fans into the gates and stay (full event pass or Day 1 and Day 2 passes) for the late game. Plus, Minnesota would want to claim to be the first to play in this tournament because they are so darn arrogant... :P

        OBVIOUSLY this will never happen though because if Minnesota ever lost both games the world as we know it would crumble and this tourney would be ended before the Championship game as the Gophers would not be allowed in the next year's tourney... It's just how I feel is the best way to hold a tournament like this, I mean if it's on a rotation then there's always the possibility that the previous champion won't play to defend the title (Unless Minnesota wins it...).

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        • #79
          Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
          The Hockey Day comment was just a random thought. I agree though, not likely. Would like to see it though.
          I had the exact same thought this weekend, but then realizing that not being able to predict when the Gophers play screws it all
          tUMD is Jan Brady per Brenthoven. Whew.... thanks for clearing THAT up.

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          • #80
            Re: Minnesota Cup

            Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
            Maturi said their aim is 20 home games, but two of the MN Cup games the Gophers play in will count towards the 20 home games. They won't be hosting the Mariucci Classic anymore.

            So, with 10 conference home games plus the 2 MN Cup games the Gophers play in, that's 12 home games. Add the 10 conference road games and we're up to 22 games (12 home and 10 road). Assuming they play 34 games, that would leave 4 additional home series to schedule and 3 additional road series to schedule.
            Your numbers are off here. It wouldn't be 3 additional non-conference road series, it would be 2 non-conference road series. Your scenario has them playing 36 games. Not 34.

            10 BTHC home Games
            10 BTHC road Games
            2 "MN Cup" Games
            8 non-conference home games at Mariucci
            4 non-conference road games

            34 total games. 18 at Mariucci, 2 at XCel, 14 on the road.
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            • #81
              Re: Minnesota Cup

              Originally posted by beaverhockeyfan View Post
              Sorry, guess I probably have come off a little "****y" about all of this, and really, I could care less about where the Gophers play their road games. I guess what got me going was the Gophers (and sometimes some, but not all, of their fan base) looking "down their nose" at the other Minnesota schools. "We want to play every one of them," Maturi said. "[This tournament] is the way we are going to do it" just reinforced this a little bit in my mind.

              Would I like to see them in Bemidji, yeah, I would. But with only three road series to schedule, where are the Gophers going to go? Will they schedule them with Miami, North Dakota, BC/BU, Denver/CC, Notre Dame, or will they schedule them with BSU, MSU-M, UMD or SCSU? Based on contracts that will be signed and the "power" of some programs, I am not going to hold my breath on seeing them in Bemidji again. I just feel the almighty dollar is going to trump everything else.

              It will be interesting to see what comes from all of this....... Is it the weekend yet, I need some hockey???
              I understand where you are coming from. I do think Maturi and Co. are trying to do the best they can to balance the desire to maintain competition with the other D1 programs in MN with their own internal needs to meet budgets, etc. As fans, we don't have to care one iota about their financial considerations but they obviously don't have that same luxury. My first priority is playing the other MN D1 teams in non-conference but I understand they have more to consider. At the same time, I do think some of the fun of non-conference is you get to play teams you don't see annually and I'm glad there will be some additional variety on the Gophers schedule.

              As for road games at other MN rinks, I'm not sure it was rational even before this event was proposed that the Gophers would be visiting other MN teams that often. We've known for months that the Gophers were going to play 20 games in the Twin Cities and would have 4 available games for non-conference travel (see my prior post on the breakdown). When you have 4 non-conference road games to use each season and you have 4 other D1 teams in the state... well, the numbers simply don't add up that they'll be able to be in those rinks very often. It's just the reality of it.

              I think this is the MN Cup is the most feasible way to keep the teams playing each other given the various scheduling needs.
              Last edited by Hammy; 01-26-2012, 12:56 AM.
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              • #82
                Re: Minnesota Cup

                Originally posted by beersong View Post
                From a UMD/UMTC/SCSU perspective I'm not sure how this is going to make up any Final Five revenue.

                Let's say this deal averages 10,000 fans game (way generous) x 4 games = 40,000 tickets.
                and at $30 a ticket that equals $1.2 million ticket revenue for the weekend.
                Divide evenly among four schools = $300,000 per school for the weekend.

                Say UMD/SCSU schedules a non-conference home series instead.
                6,500 fans per game x 2 games = 13,000 tickets
                and at $30 a ticket that equals $390,000 of ticket revenue.

                Doing the same with UMTC, and 20,000 tickets = $600,000

                So I'm not sure what the economic benefit is for any of these three schools. But I guess if this is taking the place of two road non-con games that would work. I just hope these don't count toward how many home games we'd schedule.
                Except that NC series are home-and-home deals or a pay for visit deal. Assuming that the MSUM, BSU, SCSU, and UMD all rotate over a 4 year cycle, you would get 3 payments of $300k = $900k and have 2 games left that 4th year vs two home and 2 away series which would yield $800k using your numbers. if those 2 games are used to bring in a team for a pay-to-play you way have another $250k left to add to that $900k making the total $1.15M over 4 years. If you get half of a home and home it is $200k making the total $1.1M. In either case, the school brings in more revenue by playing in the tournament over not playing.

                The real questions are what will tickets cost, will each game be a separate ticket, and how many ticket packages will they sell? The fact of the matter is that if they only average attendance of 10,000 the tournament won't last long because the cost of reserving the X will quickly eat into any profit that may exist for these schools.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Hammy View Post
                  Your numbers are off here. It wouldn't be 3 additional non-conference road series, it would be 2 non-conference road series. Your scenario has them playing 36 games. Not 34.

                  10 BTHC home Games
                  10 BTHC road Games
                  2 "MN Cup" Games
                  8 non-conference home games at Mariucci
                  4 non-conference road games

                  34 total games. 18 at Mariucci, 2 at XCel, 14 on the road.
                  Thanks. My math sucks
                  Last edited by JDUBBS1280; 01-26-2012, 06:19 AM.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Minnesota Cup

                    Here's one way they could do it....

                    Clearly the Gophers play in the Minnesota Cup every year.

                    UMD, MSU, BSU & SCSU rotate, with one school left out.

                    The school left out gets a two game home series with the Gophers which will help make up the money of not being in the Minnesota Cup.

                    The school that plays the Gophers in the 1st round doesn't play the Gophers in any other games that season.

                    The two schools in the other side of the bracket; one plays a home & home with the Gophers & the other visits Mariucci for a two game series.

                    Equals 8 nonconference games for the Gophers. Two at Xcel, three on the road & three at home.

                    Every school gets a two game Gopher visit every four years & a one game visit every four years. In other words they get a Gopher visit every other year.
                    Last edited by dggoddard; 01-26-2012, 09:58 AM.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by dggoddard View Post
                      Here's one idea....

                      Clearly the Gophers play in the Minnesota Cup every year.

                      UMD, MSU, BSU & SCSU rotate, with one school left out.

                      The school left out gets a two game home series with the Gophers which will help make up the money of not being in the Minnesota Cup.

                      The school that plays the Gophers in the 1st round doesn't play the Gophers in any other games that season.

                      The two schools in the other side of the bracket; one plays a home & home with the Gophers & the other visits Mariucci for a two game series.

                      Equals 8 nonconference games for the Gophers. Two at Xcel, three on the road & three at home.

                      Every school gets a two game Gopher visit every four years.
                      Interesting idea DG

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
                        Interesting idea DG
                        That's way to reasonable to be the real DG.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Minnesota Cup

                          Originally posted by dggoddard View Post
                          Here's one way they could do it....

                          Clearly the Gophers play in the Minnesota Cup every year.

                          UMD, MSU, BSU & SCSU rotate, with one school left out.

                          The school left out gets a two game home series with the Gophers which will help make up the money of not being in the Minnesota Cup.

                          The school that plays the Gophers in the 1st round doesn't play the Gophers in any other games that season.

                          The two schools in the other side of the bracket; one plays a home & home with the Gophers & the other visits Mariucci for a two game series.

                          Equals 8 nonconference games for the Gophers. Two at Xcel, three on the road & three at home.

                          Every school gets a two game Gopher visit every four years & a one game visit every four years. In other words they get a Gopher visit every other year.
                          That eats up the entire road non conference schedule. That's not going to fly.
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                          • #88
                            Re: Minnesota Cup

                            Originally posted by Hammy View Post
                            Your numbers are off here. It wouldn't be 3 additional non-conference road series, it would be 2 non-conference road series. Your scenario has them playing 36 games. Not 34.

                            10 BTHC home Games
                            10 BTHC road Games
                            2 "MN Cup" Games
                            8 non-conference home games at Mariucci
                            4 non-conference road games

                            34 total games. 18 at Mariucci, 2 at XCel, 14 on the road.
                            Are you saying the Mariucci classic is done?
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
                              Are you saying the Mariucci classic is done?
                              That was my understanding to.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Minnesota Cup

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                That eats up the entire road non conference schedule. That's not going to fly.
                                I guess a minor tweak would be a one game visit to team not in the Minnesota Cup.

                                That would give you 7 nonconference MN games for the Gophers. Two at Xcel, two on the road & three at home.

                                Every MN school gets a one game Gopher visit every other year.

                                Then the Gophers could have a two game series in Boston or South Bend every season.

                                10 BTHC home Games
                                10 BTHC road Games
                                2 "MN Cup" Games [2 against MN schools]
                                8 non-conference home games at Mariucci [2 against ND, BC or BU, 3 against MN schools, 3 against cupcakes]
                                4 non-conference road games [2 against ND, BC or BU, 2 against MN schools]
                                Last edited by dggoddard; 01-26-2012, 11:04 AM.

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