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Priceless
02-18-2012, 08:30 AM
Priceless, only difference I have is MSU in Green Bay and Miami in Bridgeport.

I looked at that, but decided to keep the 6/11 pairing intact. The committee could easily decide to keep seeding equitable and go to a 6/12 7/11 setup. It doesn't hurt that the NCAA can anticipate a few extra Michigan State fans in Green Bay.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-18-2012, 08:34 AM
I looked at that, but decided to keep the 6/11 pairing intact. The committee could easily decide to keep seeding equitable and go to a 6/12 7/11 setup. It doesn't hurt that the NCAA can anticipate a few extra Michigan State fans in Green Bay.

What about moving the Ferris-UND matchup to St. Paul, having Duluth play Northern in Green Bay, and then Ohio State would go play BU in Bridgeport? As it is, the Green Bay regional is death for attendance. Plus, this way you would save 2 flights.

Slap Shot
02-18-2012, 09:06 AM
Ha, watching UM beat the ugly helmets at the X again would be awesome.

J.D.
02-18-2012, 10:23 AM
What about moving the Ferris-UND matchup to St. Paul, having Duluth play Northern in Green Bay, and then Ohio State would go play BU in Bridgeport? As it is, the Green Bay regional is death for attendance. Plus, this way you would save 2 flights.

I don't think the GB attendance looks all that bad right now, especially considering what past predictions have looked like. Your scenario provides a little too much unnecessary movement for my liking.


Ha, watching UM beat the ugly helmets at the X again would be awesome.

You should probably be more concerned with just making the tourney for the first time since '08.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-18-2012, 10:48 AM
I don't think the GB attendance looks all that bad right now, especially considering what past predictions have looked like. Your scenario provides a little too much unnecessary movement for my liking.

For me, is Ferris+UND > Northern Michigan+Duluth? I don't think so. North Dakota definitely travels well, but last year they didn't even sell out the Resch when the Sioux were expected to win the Regional. If North Dakota barely makes it, i would guess that fewer fans would make the trek. Basically, I think Northern would send just as many fans as North Dakota, and Duluth would send far more than Ferris. Further, I think having North Dakota in St. Paul, along with the Gophers, gets pretty close to selling that place out...something that Duluth and Minnesota would struggle to do. Add Michigan to that fire, and I think that regional potentially outsells the other three combined.

Plus, the "unnecessary movement" results in fewer teams having to fly/travel long distances. The NCAA Selection committee has stated that it prefers to keep teams closer to home when it can.

J.D.
02-18-2012, 10:52 AM
It's certainly intriguing, but the way I look at it is, attendance is only one factor. Having Ferris, Denver, MSU and UND in GB would provide a solid attendance...maybe not spectacular.

JDUBBS1280
02-18-2012, 11:19 AM
Ha, watching UM beat the ugly helmets at the X again would be awesome.

Hey, it's the guy who likes to pretend he's a Gopher fan!

The Rube
02-18-2012, 12:10 PM
Hey, it's the guy who likes to pretend he's a Gopher fan!

You have him mixed up with Scooby. ;)

FiveHole12
02-18-2012, 03:19 PM
The point is, with Maine, not only do you have a larger alumni base, you have an entire state behind the team. Fenway this year was a great example, more Maine fans than any other school and yet the team traveled 200 plus miles, but alumni are all over and it is an easy trip from Portland south. Maine had twice as many fans as UMASS! And this was before Maine really started to turn the season around.

Lowell at this point does not have a following outside of the alumni base. Sure there are some in the community who have adopted Lowell as their team, but will they travel? No one is taking a shot at Lowell, and attendance is very misleading when you are handing out free tickets left and right (which is great to draw people to a great product) and you seat 6,000 plus.

Time will tell and I hope Lowell continues their strong play into the tournament.
Anyone that has ever attended the Hockey East Tournament at the Garden knows full well the best traveling fan base. In a good year, Lowell may show up with 500 fans. In a down year, Maine shows up with 5K. Hell, there's a bunch of Maine fans at the Garden even when the Black Bears don't make it.

Slap Shot
02-18-2012, 03:49 PM
Hey, it's the guy who likes to pretend he's a Gopher fan!

Thought you had me on ignore? And not feeling the need to defend the honor of the Gophers every time an opposing fan says something "wealy, wealy, mean" doesn't mean I'm not a fan. :)


You should probably be more concerned with just making the tourney for the first time since '08.

Yeah, no.

Priceless
02-18-2012, 10:15 PM
Regardless of the outcome of the last two games, the pairwise will look like:


1 Boston Coll (HE)
2 Michigan (CC)
3 Mass-Lowell (HE)
4 Ferris State (CC)
5 Minn-Duluth (WC)
6 Boston Univ (HE)
7 Minnesota (WC)
8 Union (EC)
9 Maine (HE)
10 Mich State (CC)
11 Miami (CC)
12 Denver U (WC)
13 Ohio State (CC)
14 North Dakota (WC)
15 Cornell (EC)

Union and Minnesota can trade places, based on the final of the CC-UNO game, but they'll still be in the band seeded #2 and Minnesota is a host, so it shouldn't matter.

I come up with



Bridgeport Worcester St. Paul Green Bay
Lowell Boston Coll Michigan Ferris State
Boston U Union Minnesota Minn-Duluth
Denver Maine Mich State Miami
Ohio State AHA Champ Cornell North Dakota

Edit: Union does move up to 7, Minnesota and Maine are tied for 8th, but Minnesota wins the comparison by .0002 RPI.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-18-2012, 10:21 PM
Regardless of the outcome of the last two games, the pairwise will look like:


1 Boston Coll (HE)
2 Michigan (CC)
3 Mass-Lowell (HE)
4 Ferris State (CC)
5 Minn-Duluth (WC)
6 Boston Univ (HE)
7 Minnesota (WC)
8 Union (EC)
9 Maine (HE)
10 Mich State (CC)
11 Miami (CC)
12 Denver U (WC)
13 Ohio State (CC)
14 North Dakota (WC)
15 Cornell (EC)

Union and Minnesota can trade places, based on the final of the CC-UNO game, but they'll still be in the band seeded #2 and Minnesota is a host, so it shouldn't matter.

I come up with



Bridgeport Worcester St. Paul Green Bay
Lowell Boston Coll Michigan Ferris State
Boston U Union Minnesota Minn-Duluth
Denver Maine Mich State Miami
Ohio State AHA Champ Cornell North Dakota

Given the squads in the tourney, basically about the best possible set up for the tournament from an attendance/travel/integrity perspective. The only real potential change that i could see would be to move Cornell and North Dakota to save a flight. Overall though, I agree.

Priceless
02-18-2012, 10:48 PM
Given the squads in the tourney, basically about the best possible set up for the tournament from an attendance/travel/integrity perspective. The only real potential change that i could see would be to move Cornell and North Dakota to save a flight. Overall though, I agree.

That would be a hell of a penalty for the #2 overall seed.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-18-2012, 10:50 PM
That would be a hell of a penalty for the #2 overall seed.

To play the #14 instead of the #15 overall seed?

Priceless
02-18-2012, 10:55 PM
To play the #14 instead of the #15 overall seed?
Not just any #14 seed. North Dakota in St. Paul.
Although the Minnesota fans in attendance might actually cheer for the Wolverines :p

Fighting Sioux 23
02-18-2012, 10:59 PM
Not just any #14 seed. North Dakota in St. Paul.
Although the Minnesota fans in attendance might actually cheer for the Wolverines :p

They probably would.

I don't understand the fear of a #14 overall seed to a #2 overall seed.

Siouxfaninseattle
02-18-2012, 11:09 PM
Not just any #14 seed. North Dakota in St. Paul.
Although the Minnesota fans in attendance might actually cheer for the Wolverines :p

Might?? :eek::p

Driftryder
02-18-2012, 11:13 PM
Might?? :eek::p

That's a tough call... ;)

Slap Shot
02-18-2012, 11:23 PM
Although the Minnesota fans in attendance might actually cheer for the Wolverines :p

I think you underestimate the d-bag factor of the average ugly helmet fan. ;)

Nowheresville
02-18-2012, 11:28 PM
Out of curiosity, why do you have Michigan going to St. Paul instead of Green Bay?

I had the same brackets out east, but in the west I have Michigan, UMD, Michigan State, and Cornell at Green Bay, with Ferris, MN, Miami, and NoDak in St. Paul.