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LTsatch
12-22-2011, 10:51 PM
The BCers will disagree... Both sides hate each other so much on cultural lines they can't not be rivals. The anger at the disagreement is sign enough.

What is this culture that you speak of sir? The the BC leaving Big East basketball mess? Are you saying that if BC disagrees UCONN is out? Pretty high and mighty on your part. Between Robert Kraft and BC we in Connecticut have plenty to be suspicious about. Come to think of it, you are correct about the culture, Connecticut was founded because they didn't trust Boston. :p

kingdobbs
12-22-2011, 11:06 PM
I have been trying to figure out if the decision has already been made and the consultants are just going to put the independent evaluation imprimatur on it -- like in football -- or if this is really a clean sheet of paper evaluation. I have a hard time believing that this particular consulting group would recommend anything but going full bore, given their history, however. Gotta think they are going to recommend a pathway leading to application to HE for membership. No other outcome seems to make sense in my mind. UConn took at least two months to look at the program options internally. I think they already know what the conclusion will be, wouldn't you think?

I read it as UConn trying to get an independent review of the financial requirements and the best path to accomplish it. We'll get an independent evaluation of the cost in regards to a rink, scholarships, equivalency in women's opportunities, advice on marketing strategy to donors, potential fans, and to the university at-large, as well as how we might best approach and discuss membership with Hockey East.

In other words, it gives the AD a lot of ammo to hit the board of trustees with when/if they need to get their approval.

Nick Papagiorgio
12-23-2011, 07:08 AM
Connecticut was founded because they didn't trust Boston. :p

CT was founded because Bostonians and New Yorkers needed a place to take a dump travelling between the two cities.

Ralph Baer
12-23-2011, 07:51 AM
CT was founded because Bostonians and New Yorkers needed a place to take a dump travelling between the two cities. I found a similar use for New Jersey. :)

Humanoid
12-23-2011, 10:41 AM
Interesting story with some more speculation. Nothing new to report outside of what I've already seen.

http://excalibursportspage.com/2011/12/23/uconn-evaluating-program-changes-on-way/

Jim
12-23-2011, 12:40 PM
You beat me to it, Patman. In this case, axing a program after a wealthy alum just built the rink. But I highly doubt it.

I have been trying to figure out if the decision has already been made and the consultants are just going to put the independent evaluation imprimatur on it -- like in football -- or if this is really a clean sheet of paper evaluation. I have a hard time believing that this particular consulting group would recommend anything but going full bore, given their history, however. Gotta think they are going to recommend a pathway leading to application to HE for membership. No other outcome seems to make sense in my mind. UConn took at least two months to look at the program options internally. I think they already know what the conclusion will be, wouldn't you think?

And on a possible BC rivalry? If UConn ever gets into both HE and the ACC, that will be white hot compared to almost anything now. And they will schedule a hockey game on the evening of the afternoon football game just to intensify it. The football rivalry was already almost out of control by the time BC left for the ACC even though UConn was not quite as good as BC at that point in time.

while I've been around long enough to know one should never say never, I have serious doubts that they would have hired a consultant to eliminate the program. While it might be done to justify closing down a very popular program or one highly identified with the University, I think you'd be hard pressed to say either of those things apply to UCONN. Nor frankly, do I think they would have made a point of announcing this to hockey donors. And as I said, if syou are cutting a program, usually you just cut it, usually late in the season.

RIT Winters
12-23-2011, 12:43 PM
I'd love to see UCONN's record their first couple years in Hockey East.

LTsatch
12-23-2011, 01:49 PM
I found a similar use for New Jersey. :)


I give Jersey a +1 for cheap gas!

Patman
12-23-2011, 02:36 PM
RST,

I dont think a decision has bee made... Uconn still has some legitimate political obstacles both at the state level or on campus unless they want to torch the program... and still if they were going to torch it they'd just do it.

I think the Uconn people legitimately believe they don't know enough. Hockey is out of the mainstream understanding of major college athletics and I think they're legitimately trying to get a handle on what's going on

RSTuthill
12-23-2011, 06:39 PM
Nor frankly, do I think they would have made a point of announcing this to hockey donors.
Good point. And the Friends had it a good two or three days before they gave it to the press. Jim, Patman, and Kingdobbs, it looks like it may be shortly time for us to open our wallets. If it is to move to HE, I hope you will be joining me.

Patman
12-23-2011, 07:33 PM
Good point. And the Friends had it a good two or three days before they gave it to the press. Jim, Patman, and Kingdobbs, it looks like it may be shortly time for us to open our wallets. If it is to move to HE, I hope you will be joining me.

If it happens I'll chip in half of what I give Lowell annually.

redrocker
12-24-2011, 12:11 AM
From the New Haven Register (http://nhrcollegehockey.blogspot.com/2011/12/uconn-reevaluating-its-program.html):

TonyTheTiger20
12-24-2011, 08:35 AM
from the new haven register (http://nhrcollegehockey.blogspot.com/2011/12/uconn-reevaluating-its-program.html):YES! I love it...

ExileOnDaytonStreet
12-24-2011, 09:01 AM
From the New Haven Register (http://nhrcollegehockey.blogspot.com/2011/12/uconn-reevaluating-its-program.html):It's a shame that they'd end up playing their games in Hartford instead of staying on-campus, but other than that, that sounds highly promising.

TonyTheTiger20
12-24-2011, 09:03 AM
It's a shame that they'd end up playing their games in Hartford instead of staying on-campus, but other than that, that sounds highly promising.That could just be short term. Though UConn doesn't seem to care too much about on-campus atmosphere for its sports, so who knows.

jml42691
12-24-2011, 09:09 AM
That article seems to have a strong bias in it. The whole notion of Hockey East extending an "open invitation" feels like a stretch to me. In the current state of UConn's Hockey Program I don't see much of a reason why Hockey East as a conference would want them in. Certainly after a lot of changes to the program, upgrades to the facilities, and showing potential of strong success they could be a program that Hockey East would be interested, but that is something that we'll not see in the next year to two. Hockey East has stated already that they are not in a rush to add a twelfth member just to ease scheduling.

CHFAN222
12-24-2011, 10:08 AM
The big question I guess is will HE want to give them a shot? I mean based on comments made this year it appeared BC AD did not want UCONN in the ACC since they can't get over the separation in 2004 and why should we think that they would feel any different about UCONN going to HE? Does HE require unanimous consent to admit a new member? I hope UCONN goes for it and gets in. Than we would finally have every state in New England with at least one team in the conference.

TonyTheTiger20
12-24-2011, 10:34 AM
I mean based on comments made this year it appeared BC AD did not want UCONN in the ACC since they can't get over the separation in 2004 and why should we think that they would feel any different about UCONN going to HE? Does HE require unanimous consent to admit a new member? I hope UCONN goes for it and gets in. Than we would finally have every state in New England with at least one team in the conference.I hate UConn as much as anyone possibly can. I am also staunchly against UConn getting into the ACC. However, I don't know of too many people who feel the same way about hockey. Those of my friends who don't have UConn at the top of their list for HEA don't really have them that far down (assuming they are able to invest in the program).

If UConn doesn't get into Hockey East, I don't think it would be because BC doesn't want them there.

Patman
12-24-2011, 10:45 AM
There are 9 league votes (currently) that are not Boston college. I'd have to think if UConn presents a solid actualizable plan it would be an easy vote.

kingdobbs
12-24-2011, 11:33 AM
That could just be short term. Though UConn doesn't seem to care too much about on-campus atmosphere for its sports, so who knows.

With pretty valid reasons for both (40,000 would be a nightmare to clear out of Storrs on football game days, for one).


That article seems to have a strong bias in it. The whole notion of Hockey East extending an "open invitation" feels like a stretch to me. In the current state of UConn's Hockey Program I don't see much of a reason why Hockey East as a conference would want them in. Certainly after a lot of changes to the program, upgrades to the facilities, and showing potential of strong success they could be a program that Hockey East would be interested, but that is something that we'll not see in the next year to two. Hockey East has stated already that they are not in a rush to add a twelfth member just to ease scheduling.

I think the "open invitation" is really more like "If you were to call, we won't put you through to voice mail, but you'd better not waste our time." The fact that HEA is in no rush is actually a boon for a potential UConn entry; it gives us time to do a thorough job in putting together our plan. If the league were truly in a rush, they'd have already moved.


The big question I guess is will HE want to give them a shot? I mean based on comments made this year it appeared BC AD did not want UCONN in the ACC since they can't get over the separation in 2004 and why should we think that they would feel any different about UCONN going to HE? Does HE require unanimous consent to admit a new member? I hope UCONN goes for it and gets in. Than we would finally have every state in New England with at least one team in the conference.

The situations are far from analogous. The basic motivations I see in BC's desire to keep UConn out of the ACC are as follows: (1) the 2003 lawsuit and ensuing comments*, and (2) ensuring BC remains the top, or possibly only, major college football team in New England.

My understanding of the "Syrapitt" expansion was that (a) the ACC wanted to move quickly, (b) BC's influence over the process was increased because DeFilippo was on the three-man 'recommendation' committee (influence they would have not had had UConn been brought up to a full vote of the league presidents), (c) UConn was brought up as a potential candidate at some point in the process (I have no doubt that one of the unnamed ten teams that had applied for membership was UConn), and BC said, in essence, "We will keep this from happening if UConn is even considered." UConn wasn't considered, and Syracuse and Pitt were the two teams that got through to the actual vote of the members (not that we would have been a slam dunk entry; I'm certain Miami would join as a "no" based on the 2003 lawsuit, and it would not have been hard to convince FSU and Clemson to vote no on football grounds, which makes for <75%).

In hockey, only the first of the two considerations would affect BC's decision (since they're not even the only major college hockey team in their own city), and because Hockey East has no particular rush to get a 12th member, there's less likelihood of a situation arising where BC can have more than one vote's worth of influence over the proceedings. At this point, the only way BC can realistically keep UConn from entering is if the membership vote needs to be unanimous (and the other members would know that before they even tried to bring UConn up, meaning UConn would NEVER be a candidate as long as BC was a member).

*Which haven't stopped the two schools from playing contests in minor sports, mind, just football and hoops.