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    What is going to happen to St. Michael's and St. Anselm's at the end of this season. Is the East going to keep them in their league although there games don't count toward pwr rankings? Will the East stay at 8 teams or add more once they cordially dismiss St. Michael's and St. Anselm's in February.

  • #2
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    Word is that they both have partitioned the NCAA to play down to D3 in hockey. I would suspect that even if they do not get approval the league will decide to keep them in.
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    • #3
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      Originally posted by CROSBYNU63 View Post
      Word is that they both have partitioned the NCAA to play down to D3 in hockey. I would suspect that even if they do not get approval the league will decide to keep them in.
      As I recall, the ECAC East committed to giving them two years to get this done. I really hope something can be be done. St. Mikes is improving their program, and it would be a shame to see them pushed aside, and St. Anselm has been a member of the ECAC East for a long time - in fact, I don't remember a time when they weren't. Tradition is important in College sports despite the idiocy that is going on right now in DI.
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        Originally posted by CROSBYNU63 View Post
        Word is that they both have partitioned the NCAA to play down to D3 in hockey. I would suspect that even if they do not get approval the league will decide to keep them in.
        St. A's has a very good hockey program and excellent rink in Sulivan Arena. Great to hear they will continue in the ECAC E. Also location of the D2 schools in near most of the ECAC E teams
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        • #5
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          Originally posted by hawk View Post
          St. A's has a very good hockey program and excellent rink in Sulivan Arena. Great to hear they will continue in the ECAC E. Also location of the D2 schools in near most of the ECAC E teams
          Don't jump the gun yet. Still hasn't been decided yet.

          Personally, it's infuriating for me to have four games on Norwich's schedule that don't count for anything. (This year it's five with Dartmouth). On the women's side it's even worse...they have SIX games that don't count because you have to add in Division I Holy Cross too.

          If they get reclassified down to D-III, great.
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            Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
            Don't jump the gun yet. Still hasn't been decided yet.

            Personally, it's infuriating for me to have four games on Norwich's schedule that don't count for anything. (This year it's five with Dartmouth). On the women's side it's even worse...they have SIX games that don't count because you have to add in Division I Holy Cross too.

            If they get reclassified down to D-III, great.
            The larger question is how will the ECAC adapt to the growth of SUNY and other NYS DIII programs.

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            • #7
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              The Saints got one more year....I too agree with Crosby and think even if they don't get approval the league will still keep them.....

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by hockeyfan77 View Post
                The Saints got one more year....I too agree with Crosby and think even if they don't get approval the league will still keep them.....
                So what's the point of having the two-year grace period if the league is still planning on keeping them?

                Doesn't make much sense to me?
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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
                  So what's the point of having the two-year grace period if the league is still planning on keeping them?

                  Doesn't make much sense to me?


                  To try and get their butts in gear....

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by hockeyfan77 View Post
                    To try and get their butts in gear....
                    Okay..so you tried to get their butts in gear...it doesn't work...so you just keep them anyway?

                    Still just doesn't make any sense to me impose a two-year grace period of get down to D-III or you're out of the league and then you still keep them as part of the league.

                    It's not like they don't have options. I'm sure some of the ECAC East schools would still schedule a game against both of them and they have the rest of the hockey playing NE-10 schools to fall back on.
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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
                      Okay..so you tried to get their butts in gear...it doesn't work...so you just keep them anyway?

                      Still just doesn't make any sense to me impose a two-year grace period of get down to D-III or you're out of the league and then you still keep them as part of the league.

                      It's not like they don't have options. I'm sure some of the ECAC East schools would still schedule a game against both of them and they have the rest of the hockey playing NE-10 schools to fall back on.
                      Nothing is a done deal. The only thing that is certain is that if they can secure a waiver of some kind from the NCAA, they stay. I don't think there is a guarantee either way, but some people who know are suggesting that they may have the votes to stay. Pool C will shrink to two once the ECAC West finds one more team. It just seems like it maintaing traditional rivalries would be more important than the remote possibility of getting an occasional Pool C bid. Playing four games that don't count actually just makes the rest of the games more important. For years Elmira followed a strategy of scheduling games with the West because they didn't count, but provided good competition.
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                      • #12
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                        I don't think the NCAA will allow D-II to have it both ways. Right now D-II's can play up at D-I or play D-II and play in the D-I tournament.

                        Nobody is allowed to play down and play for the lower championship.
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                        • #13
                          Re: ECAC East Happenings

                          Originally posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
                          Okay..so you tried to get their butts in gear...it doesn't work...so you just keep them anyway?

                          Still just doesn't make any sense to me impose a two-year grace period of get down to D-III or you're out of the league and then you still keep them as part of the league.

                          It's not like they don't have options. I'm sure some of the ECAC East schools would still schedule a game against both of them and they have the rest of the hockey playing NE-10 schools to fall back on.
                          I agree, they have had a two year period to get something done, but they have known this was coming for a lot longer than that. If they are no longer in the East, teams that want to can still get games, others can try for games that are out of conference. It's like having a four game exhibition every single year, and in a lot of years, not very good exhibition.
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                          • #14
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                            Guys - the 6 NE-10 schools, as a conference would qualify for the D-I tournament and get an AQ.
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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by joecct View Post
                              Guys - the 6 NE-10 schools, as a conference would qualify for the D-I tournament and get an AQ.
                              Why don't they already do this then? They have a conference champion each year anyway. It seems that it would be the smartest route to go. It would immediately boost recruiting. They could offer scholarships like they do in other sports. Even if they didn't offer scholarships, they could just play each other 4 or 5 times, and then fill up their schedule with whoever else will play them, D1 or D3. With that package to offer recruits, a team like St. A's would easily get much better in a short time. Plus, there would be a bunch of Atlantic Hockey schools that would schedule them. I mean, there's 6 NC games for AIC right off the bat. Perfect.

                              As a Norwich fan, the thing that bothers me about the games not counting is that, in fact, they do count for league playoff purposes. Teams in the ECAC-E have to fight for standings in the conference with other teams that disappear once the postseason hits. It's stupid. Say St. A's finishes 4th and Babson 5th. Nope, St. A's disappears and Babson gets home ice. UNE goes winless and finishes in 10th. Nope, two teams vanish and they make the playoffs. It is completely nuts. I don't understand how this situation has lasted this long, nevermind a couple of more years. If they don't get permission for the games to count, it's time for them to go.

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