Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

[Gurtholfin]

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He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

You're serious? He walks in on that and runs out? He is by definition, cowardly.

You can't hide behind the law on this.

If he didn't want to physically intervene, he should have picked up a phone and dialed 911. You don't report CRIMES up the chain of command. You report them to the police and if they are in progress, you report them ASAP.

He didn't see Sandusky making excessive phone calls to recruits, he saw a rape of a child.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I thought Barry Alvarez was the one who insisted on it?

If you were Penn State would you want to join the CCHA or The Big 10 Hockey Conference?

Barry was just a strong advocate. Which is enough to make me puke but doesn't make him culpable.

[bothman]

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He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

Dggoddard, I generally agree with your sentiments, but this is so off-base, on so many levels.

When's the last time you went to a 5th grade classroom and sat there to see what 10 year old children are like? How they speak, how big they are, etc?

Now imagine, a coach sodomizing these children before your very eyes? You are telling me that you walk out the door and call your Daddy?

Some of us don't come from the "look the other way" side of the tracks. Some of us choose to protect those that can't protect themselves.

The fact that he watched such a horrific event and didn't even have the conscience to try and protect the boy (all he had to do was say something - we aren't even talking about physically intervening) who was being raped right in front of him - his indifference (which is really what his actions reflect) is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard in my life. McQueary is now father to a young daughter and I wonder what he will say to her about his resolve & his principle?

You are right - McQueary's career will be over very soon....and it will all be on account of his failure to lead & act. Penn State won't owe him a dime (and it amazes me that he has yet to be fired, but I suspect it's just a matter of time and willcome before Saturday's tilt with Nebraska)

[dggoddard]

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You're serious? He walks in on that and runs out? He is by definition, cowardly.

You can't hide behind the law on this.

If he didn't want to physically intervene, he should have picked up a phone and dialed 911. You don't report CRIMES up the chain of command. You report them to the police and if they are in progress, you report them ASAP.

I think we're going to have to wait for more information on what he saw and what he did about it. I don't want to play devil's advocate because the crime is so horrible.

[JDUBBS1280]

He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

There is no way I could walk away from seeing what he saw and live with myself after. If you witness your coworker viewing porn on their computer at work, you report it. If you witness them molesting a child, you step in right away and stop it.

I'm sorry, but the guy is a coward in my eyes.

[Gurtholfin]

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He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

In addition, his possible protection under the law and compensation isn't going to protect him from his kid, maybe a son, asking him someday, "Daddy, why didn't you save that little boy when you had the chance? Why did you let the monster have him?"

[J.D.]

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Barry was just a strong advocate. Which is enough to make me puke but doesn't make him culpable.

I honestly don't even know. I just thought Alvarez was the driving force. I'm not pretending to know for sure.

[JDUBBS1280]

I think we're going to have to wait for more information on what he saw and what he did about it. I don't want to play devil's advocate because the crime is so horrible.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until this completely unfolds, but if what I'm hearing is true, the guy deserves much worse than getting fired.

[bothman]

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I think we're going to have to wait for more information on what he saw and what he did about it. I don't want to play devil's advocate because the crime is so horrible.

Read the grand jury report (it's public) - McQueary testified to what he saw. There is no debate there. He saw Sandusky "sodomoizing" a boy in the shower who looked to be about 10 yrs old.

[dggoddard]

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Read the grand jury report (it's public) - McQueary testified to what he saw. There is no debate there. He saw Sandusky "sodomoizing" a boy in the shower who looked to be about 10 yrs old.

I'm aware of that. Its horrible. I'm just not ready to call the guy a coward.

If he gets fired and doesn't get a payout, I'll be surprised.

I've been wrong before.

[skiumah2]

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You're serious? He walks in on that and runs out? He is by definition, cowardly.

You can't hide behind the law on this.

If he didn't want to physically intervene, he should have picked up a phone and dialed 911. You don't report CRIMES up the chain of command. You report them to the police and if they are in progress, you report them ASAP.

He didn't see Sandusky making excessive phone calls to recruits, he saw a rape of a child.

To expand on this even further, if the grad asst walked in and saw Sandusky choking the child, don't you think he would have stepped in? So why didn't he intervene in this case? The only explanation that would be reasonable is if he feared for his life if he stepped in. IMO, all other excuses are inexcusable. However, I could understand the reasoning if he feared retribution in regards to his job or his future with Penn St. That goes back to Gurtholfin's appropriate coward label though.

[Gurtholfin]

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I'm aware of that. Its horrible. I'm just not ready to call the guy a coward.

How about spineless?

[bothman]

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He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

One more point. McQueary is not a whistle-blower. A whistle-blower implies that you are reporting on a colleague. Sandusky was not a coach. He was not an employee of the university in 2002. Whistle-blower is an incorrect description for McQueary.

[JDUBBS1280]

I'm aware of that. Its horrible. I'm just not ready to call the guy a coward.

If he gets fired and doesn't get a payout, I'll be surprised.

I've been wrong before.

Even if he doesn't get fired, or does and gets a payout, that doesn't mean he isn't a coward. We aren't talking about what he was and wasn't legally required to do here.

I don't understand how anyone can think walking away from what he saw without stopping it (if that is indeed what happened) isn't cowardly.

If it were your child, would you be ok with him just walking away and reporting it after the fact?

[manurespreader]

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Well to focus on the ability of the university to recruit in the future... there is another rumor out there that a number of people both in and out of the university knew about the abuse/cover up, and said nothing. This might include members of the bd of trustees. So you have to ask yourself if you are a recruit, if you are interested at this time.In fact it was alleged on Detroit radio today that it was an open secret in college football and fairly widely known.

Personally I think they are going about it the right way however it's hard to imagine that there will be no or nearly no problems in the other athletic programs.