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fr joe
11-16-2011, 11:11 PM
Laudamus Te, benedicimus Te, adoramus Te, glorificamus Te. Gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam Tuam.
Maybe you, Aspydad & I can organize a sing-a-long at Babo's next drop in. Next home game will be around Epiphany. ;)

DrDemento
11-17-2011, 05:55 AM
Im all in...I will never turn my back on this team......Just speaking for myself Seth and his staff have forgotten more about Hockey than I'll ever know...so I will leave it to them with every confidence that it will all work out and we will become the team we all want to be...remember we lost the nucleus of this team 2 years ago...2 players that this was going to be their year to shine and it would have been bright...but we move on....thats not an excuse or a 'if only it could have been' thats the fact of the matter.....I suspect the plan was to have this be JDA and BP's third and final year but it didn't happen...take this team and add back in JDA,BP and Yorkie and wonder...thats not something you recover from quickly take the Edmonton Oilers and remove Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier or The Islanders and remove Mike Bossey and Bryan Trottier or for that fact the Bruins and remove Bobby Orr(the real great one) and Phil Esposito I believe you would have seen much different results in fact after they left or retired 2 of those teams still haven't recovered and one just got back to the mountain last year.So IMO we are in a mini re rebuild...we have top recruits in the pipeline and better days are coming Im sure of it...this team is not done yet but it is a team that needs to over achieve a little...The Union game was a dismal performance and Im sure they're aware of it...so lets hope thats the bottom and its all upward from here on in...LETS GO RED !!!

Nicely said. Perhaps this little 10 day hiatus will allow them to refocus.

DrDemento
11-17-2011, 06:12 AM
JL, Higgs and O'Grady (all 3 being centers) have been back for what, 2, 3 games? In their absence, there's been constant line shifting going on up front. Appert even referred to the line turmoil when those guys were out. The d-pairings have been shuffled the last few games also.

I think what the forwards lack is a bit of timing and chemistry that only comes with consistent practice and game time together. Defensively, we don't play with much of an edge and we're not making good decisions with the puck...a good chunk of our GA have been from turnovers in the d zone... ill advised passes in front of or behind the net, etc.

The good news is its fixable stuff. We're dressing 10 or 11 underclassmen every night..its gonna take some time people. Hopefully the injury bug stays away and we can gel a bit on O. That's how I see it anyway.

Wicked-The reshuffle was my minor point. My major point was the lack of our ability to change tactics during a game and between periods. I am in no way knocking this team-it has great talent especially in the lowerclass years. The onus is on the coaches. We come out well and skate Plan A-whether it is dump and chase, or long passes out of the D zone. When the other teams figure this out and stop it-we continue with Plan A. We simply do not alter what we do. Some teams are offensively good enough to come out with a Plan A and it works-and when other teams try to make changes-Plan A still works simply because they are just plain good enough. At this stage, we are not. Ther have been times in the past when RPI was so potent that Plan A was all we ever needed-but not now. I look at hockey as a 60 minute war-with little individual battles and skirmishes. To win, though, you need to be constantly moving troops aroundand finding new ways to attack and defend. Just my 2¢

Ralph Baer
11-17-2011, 06:24 AM
Wicked-The reshuffle was my minor point. My major point was the lack of our ability to change tactics during a game and between periods. I am in no way knocking this team-it has great talent especially in the lowerclass years. The onus is on the coaches. We come out well and skate Plan A-whether it is dump and chase, or long passes out of the D zone. When the other teams figure this out and stop it-we continue with Plan A. We simply do not alter what we do. Some teams are offensively good enough to come out with a Plan A and it works-and when other teams try to make changes-Plan A still works simply because they are just plain good enough. At this stage, we are not. Ther have been times in the past when RPI was so potent that Plan A was all we ever needed-but not now. I look at hockey as a 60 minute war-with little individual battles and skirmishes. To win, though, you need to be constantly moving troops aroundand finding new ways to attack and defend. Just my 2¢ I certainly agree with that, but I wonder at times if this is somehow endemic to the hockey culture at RPI, as we had similar discussions in the Fridgen era.

Ralph Baer
11-17-2011, 06:28 AM
Pierre McGuire & Eddie Olzeck talking about Oates, Adessa &,"that great RPI team of '85" during the Sabre/Devils game. McGuire saying he thought Oates may have been the greatest college player of all time. Discussion started by asking if Oates should be in the HOF. All said absolutely. Some voters must have something against him considering how often he has now been passed over.

babo
11-17-2011, 06:32 AM
If you claim to be a fan, then you root for your team when they're doing well, and ESPECIALLY when they are struggling (tip of the cap to Senna). I personally will support this team for what they do but, more importantly, who they are as a collective. Go Engineers! Per ardua ad astra...

FlagDUDE08
11-17-2011, 06:50 AM
If you claim to be a fan, then you root for your team when they're doing well, and ESPECIALLY when they are struggling (tip of the cap to Senna). I personally will support this team for what they do but, more importantly, who they are as a collective. Go Engineers! Per ardua ad astra...

Now that the board is turning to Latin again, my favorite palindrome:

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.

engineerhockeyfan
11-17-2011, 06:54 AM
If you claim to be a fan, then you root for your team when they're doing well, and ESPECIALLY when they are struggling (tip of the cap to Senna). I personally will support this team for what they do but, more importantly, who they are as a collective. Go Engineers! Per ardua ad astra...

Well said. Every professional team I have rooted for in my lifetime has won a championship and finished last.(see Indianaplis Colts for example).
This team needs to calm down. They are passing up good scoring opportunities for the perfect play. The offense lacks confidence and it shows big time.
I am sure that the coaches will be doing everything possible during these next two weeks to fix the problem.

Waite21
11-17-2011, 07:06 AM
Now that the board is turning to Latin again, my favorite palindrome:

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.

I was told there would be no Latin. ;)

babo
11-17-2011, 07:20 AM
Now that the board is turning to Latin again, my favorite palindrome:

In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.
Thus, the glow sticks...:D

Ralph Baer
11-17-2011, 07:48 AM
I was told there would be no Latin. ;)

Seconded. Isn't RPI one of the few colleges whose motto "Knowledge and Thoroughness" is in English, not Latin or Greek?


(I almost wrote "Latin or Geek". :D )

AspyDad
11-17-2011, 08:02 AM
JL, Higgs and O'Grady (all 3 being centers) have been back for what, 2, 3 games? In their absence, there's been constant line shifting going on up front. Appert even referred to the line turmoil when those guys were out. The d-pairings have been shuffled the last few games also.

I think what the forwards lack is a bit of timing and chemistry that only comes with consistent practice and game time together. Defensively, we don't play with much of an edge and we're not making good decisions with the puck...a good chunk of our GA have been from turnovers in the d zone... ill advised passes in front of or behind the net, etc.

The good news is its fixable stuff. We're dressing 10 or 11 underclassmen every night..its gonna take some time people. Hopefully the injury bug stays away and we can gel a bit on O. That's how I see it anyway.

I agree with all this. I especially like the Josh/JL/Cullen line that we have seen the last couple of games.

FreshFish
11-17-2011, 08:02 AM
I think what the forwards lack is a bit of timing and chemistry that only comes with consistent practice and game time together.

Concur. I remember a part of the game against Notre Dame, in which they were passing the puck to a spot on the ice, while a player was moving to that spot. That takes a lot of repetition to get right.

ibanezist00
11-17-2011, 08:04 AM
...We come out well and skate Plan A-whether it is dump and chase, or long passes out of the D zone. When the other teams figure this out and stop it-we continue with Plan A. We simply do not alter what we do...

Hit the nail on the head with a very large hammer here. I think though we have some other issues, this is the key one that is the root cause of the rest of our issues.

Also, my "what a disaster" post the other night -- I didn't mean to make it sound like I'm not supporting my team, but they also need to be aware that the fans have the right to not be happy with them if they play like they don't want the win, which was exactly how it appeared Tuesday night. I expected us to be bested by a better team, but I didn't expect us to be blown out like that. Even Union fans are saying that it looked like RPI just gave up any sort of fight way too early. I just don't want them to give up so soon, and get frustrated and start taking pointless penalties. They can't play better if they hold themselves back.

Ralph Baer
11-17-2011, 08:10 AM
I agree with all this. I especially like the Josh/JL/Cullen line that we have seen the last couple of games.

Interesting. I hope that the line does click. I already got into trouble once for wondering why Rabbani was on a line with JL. If he could successfully stand in front of the net and put in rebounds, it would make some sense, otherwise it seems that JL is passing and nothing happens offensively. BTW, I would love to see Zalewski in such a role next season.

FlagDUDE08
11-17-2011, 09:08 AM
Thus, the glow sticks...:D

What does being consumed by fire have to do with glowsticks? ;)

FlagDUDE08
11-17-2011, 09:09 AM
I was told there would be no Latin. ;)

Ou en français, s'il vous préfériez? :D

babo
11-17-2011, 10:49 AM
What does being consumed by fire have to do with glowsticks? ;)

Nothing...didn't study Latin so I only got the darkness part...

Jasma
11-17-2011, 10:50 AM
Wicked-The reshuffle was my minor point. My major point was the lack of our ability to change tactics during a game and between periods. I am in no way knocking this team-it has great talent especially in the lowerclass years. The onus is on the coaches. We come out well and skate Plan A-whether it is dump and chase, or long passes out of the D zone. When the other teams figure this out and stop it-we continue with Plan A. We simply do not alter what we do. Some teams are offensively good enough to come out with a Plan A and it works-and when other teams try to make changes-Plan A still works simply because they are just plain good enough. At this stage, we are not. Ther have been times in the past when RPI was so potent that Plan A was all we ever needed-but not now. I look at hockey as a 60 minute war-with little individual battles and skirmishes. To win, though, you need to be constantly moving troops aroundand finding new ways to attack and defend. Just my 2¢

The team played hard and pretty well most of the time during the first 11 games and just couldn't score or catch a break. Tuesday was a bad time to through a real stinker. They had played well against Yale and Brown and picked up a much needed win on Saturday. Unfortunately they could not build on it. The defense played its worst game of the year and gave up the puck too often. Give Union credit they forechecked well, but the decision making by the RPI players was slow and tentative most of the night.

The forwards continue to have major dificulties delivering and catching passes. Many of the passes that do get past the legs of defenders end up bouncing off RPI sticks. I expected to see much more skill up front by now and it is frustrating to see the ineptitude, even among many of the younger guys expected to provide scoring. In my opinion it is time for a major shake-up up front. Too many of the older guys on the forward lines are bringing nothing offensively. I believe the play of the defense on Tuesday was a one-time thing. The forwards are an entirely different situation. They seem totally lost and out of sync at this point. Let's hope a few weeks on the road brings them together. I agree that the talent is there, it is time for someone to step up and play up to potential. I think this team can still be a factor in the ECAC, but they are digging a very deep hole and need to start working their way out very soon.

FlagDUDE08
11-17-2011, 11:19 AM
Nothing...didn't study Latin so I only got the darkness part...

It means: We go into the circle at night and are consumed by fire.