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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred
Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View PostRead the thread. We didn't start this. But I am not going to have a Badger hockey fan tell me what were and were not the biggest catalysts for the growth of Minnesota hockey.
I'm sorry the truth comes off as arrogance, but facts are facts.
How many in this thread laughed at the idea Mariucci or the Gophs did not have a huge impact on Minnesota hockey. If saying I prefer the Sioux rivalry because of the level of respect and knowledge of the game than so be it, i'm arrogant.
btw, to the pole smoker who said my mother would be proud, she died the other day fk wad!!
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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred
Originally posted by Gurtholfin View PostSo you're going to stick with that most 5-6 year olds and their parents join (or joined back in the day) youth hockey because they believe (d) they could be a Gopher some day? Talk about stupid points...
Most kids who play youth hockey had parents who play (ed) hockey or have parents who were looking for a sport amongst many sports that their kid might enjoy.
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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred
Again, a few of you are trying to take EVERYTHING hockey that has ever happened within your border and attach it to the Gophers and being a Gopher fan.
Being a fan/enthusiast for hockey in Minnesota is great. You have a lot to be proud of if that gets you off. But when Tom Gilbert comes in to play the Wild, it has NOTHING to do with the Gophers.
The Gopher program and Gopher fandom is separate and its accomplishments stand and are judged on their own. And those accomplishments are quite good. Just not as good as ours or your neighbor to the west.
There is no question that hockey is bigger and has a prouder tradition in the state of Minnesota than hockey in the state of Wisconsin. No one would argue that. But that's not a feather in the Gopher's cap any more than it is a negative on the Badgers.
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Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View PostAt first there wouldn't be. You're right. And now you know why the Gophers struggled in the 1950's and 60's. However, they are in a MUCH better position today because of those struggles. That's what we are trying to explain to you, but you're too stubborn to listen.
No way can you assume that WI would have turned into some version of what southern Minnesota became if Johnson focused on filling out his squads with mediocre leftover talent instead of looking outside to build teams that would actually win.
Plus, the list of local recruits missed out on by UW is pretty short.If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me
BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!
At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."
Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.
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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred
Originally posted by Gurtholfin View PostSo you're going to stick with that most 5-6 year olds and their parents join (or joined back in the day) youth hockey because they believe (d) they could be a Gopher some day? Talk about stupid points...
Most kids who play youth hockey had parents who play (ed) hockey or have parents who were looking for a sport amongst many sports that their kid might enjoy.
And I'm still waiting for your supporting argurments regarding your "myths" of hockey in Minnesota. You sort of left those out of your reply. Maybe by omission you are admitting how ridiculously stupid that statement was?
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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred
Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View PostAgain... We are talking 1950's and 60's.
Believe me, while there are certainly parents that believe that little Johnny is the next big star, but there are many, many more who realize that little Johnny is just like dad and not going anywhere other than to a high school team some day. Do you really believe that all those parents, especially back then, were chasing a NCAA/NHL dream?
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Originally posted by Gurtholfin View PostAgain, a few of you are trying to take EVERYTHING hockey that has ever happened within your border and attach it to the Gophers and being a Gopher fan.
Being a fan/enthusiast for hockey in Minnesota is great. You have a lot to be proud of if that gets you off. But when Tom Gilbert comes in to play the Wild, it has NOTHING to do with the Gophers.
The Gopher program and Gopher fandom is separate and its accomplishments stand and are judged on their own. And those accomplishments are quite good. Just not as good as ours or your neighbor to the west.
There is no question that hockey is bigger and has a prouder tradition in the state of Minnesota than hockey in the state of Wisconsin. No one would argue that. But that's not a feather in the Gopher's cap any more than it is a negative on the Badgers.
Read the book. There are quotes from high school coaches, former players, and even an NHL commissioner with zero Minnesota ties that endorses this very fact.
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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred
Originally posted by johnnypohlfan View Post
And I'm still waiting for your supporting argurments regarding your "myths" of hockey in Minnesota. You sort of left those out of your reply. Maybe by omission you are admitting how ridiculously stupid that statement was?
Again, Hockey in Minnesota is great. The Gophers are a solid program, but certainly not the greatest ever or most accomplished. And with the competitive advantages that you believe that you've had, you should be more accomplished.
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Originally posted by Gurtholfin View PostAgain, a few of you are trying to take EVERYTHING hockey that has ever happened within your border and attach it to the Gophers and being a Gopher fan.
Being a fan/enthusiast for hockey in Minnesota is great. You have a lot to be proud of if that gets you off. But when Tom Gilbert comes in to play the Wild, it has NOTHING to do with the Gophers.
The Gopher program and Gopher fandom is separate and its accomplishments stand and are judged on their own. And those accomplishments are quite good. Just not as good as ours or your neighbor to the west.
There is no question that hockey is bigger and has a prouder tradition in the state of Minnesota than hockey in the state of Wisconsin. No one would argue that. But that's not a feather in the Gopher's cap any more than it is a negative on the Badgers.
But whenever we don't give Mariucci all the credit for everything that ever happened, panties are twisted and we're being "ignorant" of the gophers' self-importance.If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me
BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!
At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."
Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.
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Originally posted by Gurtholfin View PostSo in the 50s and 60s, thousands of parents believed that their kids would be one of 8 or so kids per year that were chosen for the Gophers? I'm sure you'll produce some quote from the Hockey Bible that you keep referring to...
Believe me, while there are certainly parents that believe that little Johnny is the next big star, but there are many, many more who realize that little Johnny is just like dad and not going anywhere other than to a high school team some day. Do you really believe that all those parents, especially back then, were chasing a NCAA/NHL dream?Last edited by JDUBBS1280; 11-08-2011, 12:29 PM.
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Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred
Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View PostBut whenever we don't give Mariucci all the credit for everything that ever happened, panties are twisted and we're being "ignorant" of the gophers' self-importance.
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