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bunt_q
10-27-2011, 06:58 PM
FYI - I have no personal beef with DU fans or fans of any other team in the NaCHo Bowl. I do however take issue with folks who try to defend this whole college hockey mess as "what was best" or "needed to be done" or "wasn't about money". You would have an easier time convincing me that the original pioneers were doing "what was best" for Native Americans when they settled the West...

Funny, when we say it's about the money, you tell us it's a huge mistake and the money won't pan out. But when we say it isn't about the money, and that we don't really expect there to be much of a financial upside, you lambast us for that too. I, for one, don't think it will make more money. I still think it was a good decision. And even if the decision was about money, that wouldn't bother me, because, well, sports need money. Not to mention, if a program is bringing in more money, I'd say that's a sign something is going right.

I don't know that it "needed" to be done. But it certainly could be done. And it is what is best for the programs that are moving to the NCHC. I'm not sure I'd call that "defending" anything. It's just our opinion of a decision you really had no say in.



Colorado Symphony? Are we really going to go there? That's like discussing the best vintage of wine from Idaho.
Yes, it appears we are in two different worlds - Denver and Reality.


We don't have to go there. But have you ever had to tell you wife/girlfriend you'd rather go to the hockey game than the Central Wisconsin symphony? Happens to me all the time. And occasionally I don't win. We were talking about attendance. I was telling you why DU needs to maximize the appeal of its product - because there are a lot of other options. That's all. If the Avalanche and DU are playing on the same night, which should I go to in order to be the best fan I can be, since it appears our decisions on how we run our athletics programs in Colorado need prior approval from Houghton.

EDIT: We're also not talking about a lot of room for improvement here. If DU is drawing 5,600, and the max is 6,000 or so, then it doesn't take much improvement on the margin. Once you're full, it makes sense to me to then start focusing on the quality. But no need to open that can of worms, about which bunch of teams plays better hockey. Suffice it to say, I'm happy, I think most of the NCHC programs are optimistic...that sounds like a good decision was made, if you ask me. It's important to have a positive outlook.

mtu_huskies
10-27-2011, 07:00 PM
Way too much talk about the opponent that DU is playing drawing in fans. Shouldn't people on campus and in the area be going to Magness to see a good product on the ice that DU is producing? I've been to 1 game at Magness against the Gophs and I was amazed at how empty the place was, and DU was a top five team at that time. Bunt is out in left field on this one.


I'm amazed at how the NCHC fans have just jumped on the bandwagon instead of saying that this NCHC simply sucks for college hockey.

Flashy Man
10-27-2011, 07:05 PM
We don't have to go there. But have you ever had to tell you wife/girlfriend you'd rather go to the hockey game than the Central Wisconsin symphony? Happens to me all the time. And occasionally I don't win. We were talking about attendance. I was telling you why DU needs to maximize the appeal of its product - because there are a lot of other options. That's all. If the Avalanche and DU are playing on the same night, which should I go to in order to be the best fan I can be, since it appears our decisions on how we run our athletics programs in Colorado need prior approval from Houghton.

Central Wisconsin doesn't have a symphony, just saying. Also, his wife is a St. Clouud Hockey fan.

bunt_q
10-27-2011, 07:08 PM
Way too much talk about the opponent that DU is playing drawing in fans. Shouldn't people on campus and in the area be going to Magness to see a good product on the ice that DU is producing? I've been to 1 game at Magness against the Gophs and I was amazed at how empty the place was, and DU was a top five team at that time. Bunt is out in left field on this one.

I'm amazed at how the NCHC fans have just jumped on the bandwagon instead of saying that this NCHC simply sucks for college hockey.

I'm calling bull**** on this one. How long ago was your enlightening one-time experience?

According to Shirtless below, DU's average attendance against Minnesota over the last 4 years was 6,035. Magness Arena's capacity on paper is 6,026. That's sounds pretty full. Now, I'm no mathematician, but you can't average to "full" if any single game was "empty" (unless another game was magically over-full to offset that).

Now, if folks are buying tickets and not showing up, I'm not sure what we can do about that... subsidize craigslist for easier resale, I suppose. Implement one of those programs that allow folks to make their seats available for resale when they know they can't show, like the pros do. But I have to imagine those are a pain/expensive.

bunt_q
10-27-2011, 07:18 PM
Question - why the double standard here?

Why can the Minnesota folks over in their thread talk about how much of a "snoozer" playing UAA is. Ho-hum. Only two more years. Etc. etc... and nobody is jumping on them.

But when any NCHC school says the same thing (how much of a snoozer Tech is, for example), it's on.

Is it just because the Tech fans are the most rabid forumers on here?

Or does Minnesota get a pass because they were "forced" into the BTHC?

Chris
10-27-2011, 07:20 PM
So all we needed to do was win the national championship last year and we're in...hell it looks like all we had to do was make the NCAAs last year and we're in. You don't think they've been trying to right the ship? ~60 years of history under whatever name it was is still ~60 years of history.

All this history didn't stop Tech from once upon a time leaving the WCHA.

Every team schedules a cupcake or 2 every season, we'll throw you into the rotation. For history's sake... :) Then if you win, you can claim a victory over the Super Conference. ;)

huskyfan
10-27-2011, 07:37 PM
I am a Colorado native and I have never heard of anyone here going heli-rafting. Ever.

and they have no sense of humor ... :)

huskyfan
10-27-2011, 07:52 PM
sold tickets and filled seats are not the same.

DU, MTU, UND and CC formed this league. yah, we've been doormats for 30 years, but Denver has had some doormat decades itself. when is the last time CC lifted an NCAA championship banner? St Cloud? Western? Miami? doesn't history and tradition count for something? and we really weren't total doormats - we occasionally pulled out a few games. remembering beating CC in the WCHA playoffs in CC. twice. sweeping UND at UND. we were more of an "any given Sunday team". granted Sunday didn't come often.

for me what this really is about - the underhanded way this was done. scheming, lying. if DU and UND wanted Bruce Macleod gone why didn't they approach the league? why were none of the "problems" with the league brought up? truly the DU team and fans deserve better. you give up Tech, the trophy, the tradition ... for what ... Western????? good luck with that. I'd rather play a program with integrity.

bunt_q
10-27-2011, 07:52 PM
and they have no sense of humor ... :)

Well, if we're going to drape a curtain over 6 miles of river, then heli-rafting can't be far behind. :)

Shirtless Guy
10-27-2011, 07:55 PM
Question - why the double standard here?

Why can the Minnesota folks over in their thread talk about how much of a "snoozer" playing UAA is. Ho-hum. Only two more years. Etc. etc... and nobody is jumping on them.

But when any NCHC school says the same thing (how much of a snoozer Tech is, for example), it's on.

Is it just because the Tech fans are the most rabid forumers on here?

Or does Minnesota get a pass because they were "forced" into the BTHC?What double standard? I will argue with a Minnesota fan if they say they are happy to not have to play MTU anymore or go to Houghton ever again. If you find one let me know. Every gopher fan I know personally is not happy with the situation and hates the fact that Minnesota will not be making the trip to Houghton again. As for the program itself, Minnesota didn't really have a choice, the Penn State, Ohio State and Wisconsin wanted the B1GHC, Michigan & Michigan State were probably slightly on the fence but ultimately, Minnesota was the only program that didn't want it. Thats why I hold no ill will towards Minnesota directly...the rest of them...F them. UND and DU get the majority of my hatred because they actively sought this new conference and without them, this new conference doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense and it never happens. The administration at UND gets the brunt of it because I expected more from a program that has closer ties to more of the teams left behind.

bunt_q
10-27-2011, 08:00 PM
doesn't history and tradition count for something?

No, not really. If you believe that college hockey ever really was different from the other college sports, it certainly isn't anymore. I think they have we're-not-in-a-BCS-conference counseling groups for football's mid-major programs, maybe you guys should try that. I'm sure they'd be happy to have you, once you took the time to explain to them what hockey is and why exactly you're angry. ;)


for me what this really is about - the underhanded way this was done. scheming, lying. if DU and UND wanted Bruce Macleod gone why didn't they approach the league? why was none of the "problems" with the league brought up? truly the DU team and fans deserve better. you give up Tech, the trophy, the tradition ... for what Western?????

I don't think a few press conferences full of PC garbage and some overzealous online columnists/forumers really qualifies as scheming and lying.

You can go back a few posts to where I explained why I think the new league is better. The "interesting" versus "not interesting" opponents count. You can disagree, but if CC/DU/UND agree with me (and obviously, somebody thought the same way I do about who we'd rather play), there's just nothing you can do about it.

The trophy... bah. We have a totally garbage-looking new Broadmoor trophy I'd be glad to be rid of. Why do we have a Broadmoor trophy? Because when Tech saw an opportunity back in the day, they jumped at it too.

bunt_q
10-27-2011, 08:08 PM
What double standard? I will argue with a Minnesota fan if they say they are happy to not have to play MTU anymore or go to Houghton ever again. If you find one let me know. Every gopher fan I know personally is not happy with the situation and hates the fact that Minnesota will not be making the trip to Houghton again. As for the program itself, Minnesota didn't really have a choice, the Penn State, Ohio State and Wisconsin wanted the B1GHC, Michigan & Michigan State were probably slightly on the fence but ultimately, Minnesota was the only program that didn't want it. Thats why I hold no ill will towards Minnesota directly...the rest of them...F them. UND and DU get the majority of my hatred because they actively sought this new conference and without them, this new conference doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense and it never happens. The administration at UND gets the brunt of it because I expected more from a program that has closer ties to more of the teams left behind.

Fair enough. So it's a combination of uber-passionate Tech posters, and Minnesota getting a pass.

I am not sure I believe the stuff out of Minnesota about not wanting the Big 10. That's exactly the press release I'd put out too, knowing I didn't have a choice. It keeps everybody happy, with no downside. But that's really neither here nor there. Ten years from now I bet we won't hear a lot of regrets from the Gophers. Maybe you guys can have some retrospective anger toward them then. :)

state of hockey
10-27-2011, 08:14 PM
Yeah, Minnesota was a big advocate for the other MN teams getting going so they could ditch them and play OSU and PSU.

Shirtless Guy
10-27-2011, 08:21 PM
Fair enough. So it's a combination of uber-passionate Tech posters, and Minnesota getting a pass.

I am not sure I believe the stuff out of Minnesota about not wanting the Big 10. That's exactly the press release I'd put out too, knowing I didn't have a choice. It keeps everybody happy, with no downside. But that's really neither here nor there. Ten years from now I bet we won't hear a lot of regrets from the Gophers. Maybe you guys can have some retrospective anger toward them then. :)You really have no understanding of hockey in Minnesota. I didn't get it either until I lived here, went to high school games and understood...top to bottom how big a deal it is to the state. Minnesota is probably was the big $$$ maker for the conference. They are probably the reason it stuck together as long as it did and the reason schools like SCSU, MSUM & BSU got in to the WCHA. Like state of hockey said, they didn't help all these programs get on the ground to abandon them.

dggoddard
10-27-2011, 08:58 PM
Yeah, Minnesota was a big advocate for the other MN teams getting going so they could ditch them and play OSU and PSU.One day I'd love to find out when the Penn State AD called Joel & Don and said, "I've got this major donor on the hook who's willing to donate $100 million to Penn State hockey, but there's one catch."

And the follow-up question would be, Was it before or after they sponsored Bemidji State joining the WCHA.

MinnesotaNorthStar
10-27-2011, 09:06 PM
One day I'd love to find out when the Penn State AD called Joel & Don and said, "I've got this major donor on the hook who's willing to donate $100 million to Penn State hockey, but there's one catch."

And the follow-up question would be, Was it before or after they sponsored Bemidji State joining the WCHA.
After...

ronmexico
10-27-2011, 10:12 PM
Fair enough. So it's a combination of uber-passionate Tech posters, and Minnesota getting a pass.

I am not sure I believe the stuff out of Minnesota about not wanting the Big 10. That's exactly the press release I'd put out too, knowing I didn't have a choice. It keeps everybody happy, with no downside. But that's really neither here nor there. Ten years from now I bet we won't hear a lot of regrets from the Gophers. Maybe you guys can have some retrospective anger toward them then. :)

SUCK IT!


One day I'd love to find out when the Penn State AD called Joel & Don and said, "I've got this major donor on the hook who's willing to donate $100 million to Penn State hockey,s but there's one catch."

And the follow-up question would be, Was it before or after they sponsored Bemidji State joining the WCHA.

Eat a puck and SUCK IT! You should ashamed of yourself dbag...

HuskyNation
10-27-2011, 10:47 PM
You have disappointed many a person. :(

But we will have one for you.



Yah, sorry about that. Work schedule is not being accommodating for me at this point. Just not feasible from a time stand point. I was hoping to make it work. Pretty bummed myself.

nmupiccdiva
10-27-2011, 11:37 PM
Gaddammit, where is the popcorn I ordered?

huskyfan
10-28-2011, 06:13 AM
ok. its Friday. we can talk hockey. who's in net for Tech?